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  1. Sap33 says:01/10/2020 07:08 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by clive764 View Post
    I used to draft Ministerial briefings actually.
    Sefton have not updated their website information yet and are still quoting the announcement on 22 September as being the most recent. I thought Sefton Council might have got their act together this afternoon, or they might be waiting for a standard message to be agreed and issued across all 6 City Region authorities.
    Get back to it, us simple folk need simple instructions!

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  3. salus.populi says:01/10/2020 07:10 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Lamparilla View Post
    But no-one has dealt with my question.

    If it's 'essential travel' only, how is it that we can still go to 'hospitality' venues, i.e. pubs?
    Walk

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  5. clive764 says:01/10/2020 07:14 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Lamparilla View Post
    But no-one has dealt with my question.

    If it's 'essential travel' only, how is it that we can still go to 'hospitality' venues, i.e. pubs?
    Ok, Mayor Steve Rotherham has stated:
    "Schools and COVID-secure settings are not affected and remain open. Residents in these areas are also advised to only travel for essential reasons using public transport, such as going to work, or school and are encouraged to walk or cycle where possible"
    So using a modicum of common sense, you can go to the pub, but not by public transport. Walk instead.

  6. Lamparilla says:01/10/2020 07:32 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by salus.populi View Post
    Walk
    Walking is travelling.

    The point I'm making is that many on here are presumably supporters of the government, but they can't answer a simple question explaining 'simple' rules.

    So, do the rules mean that going to the pub, by whatever means, is essential travel? If not, why are the pubs still open?

  7. Sap33 says:01/10/2020 07:36 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by clive764 View Post
    Ok, Mayor Steve Rotherham has stated:
    "Schools and COVID-secure settings are not affected and remain open. Residents in these areas are also advised to only travel for essential reasons using public transport, such as going to work, or school and are encouraged to walk or cycle where possible"
    So using a modicum of common sense, you can go to the pub, but not by public transport. Walk instead.
    Or cycle, using one of the new lanes! :-D

  8. clive764 says:01/10/2020 07:37 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Lamparilla View Post
    Walking is travelling.
    Now I know you are being deliberately obtuse.

  9. Lamparilla says:01/10/2020 07:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by clive764 View Post
    Now I know you are being deliberately obtuse.
    I know you like trolling me, but you can't answer the question, can you?

    And walking is indeed travelling, isn't it? I can't see anything obtuse about that, unless of course you just want to have a dig at me.

    So you're just ducking the question because you don't know how to interpret the government guidelines. If you can, please let us know, because I'm genuinely confused as to why hospitality venues are still open if we are only allowed to carry out 'essential travel'.

    When the original lockdown came into force, all non-essential businesses closed, but now they're allowed to stay open. But surely visiting, for example, a furniture shop, is non-essential travel isn't it?

  10. clive764 says:01/10/2020 08:05 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Lamparilla View Post
    I know you like trolling me, but you can't answer the question, can you?

    And walking is indeed travelling, isn't it? I can't see anything obtuse about that, unless of course you just want to have a dig at me.

    So you're just ducking the question because you don't know how to interpret the government guidelines. If you can, please let us know, because I'm genuinely confused as to why hospitality venues are still open if we are only allowed to carry out 'essential travel'.

    When the original lockdown came into force, all non-essential businesses closed, but now they're allowed to stay open. But surely visiting, for example, a furniture shop, is non-essential travel isn't it?
    Walk, don't use public transport to go to the pub, or wherever if It isn't a school or workplace or Covid compliant location such as a supermarket. It is very easy to understand.
    I also don't think you know what "trolling" is. Clue, it isn't something you take around supermarket aisles.

  11. Lamparilla says:01/10/2020 08:19 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by clive764 View Post
    Walk, don't use public transport to go to the pub, or wherever if It isn't a school or workplace or Covid compliant location such as a supermarket. It is very easy to understand.
    I also don't think you know what "trolling" is. Clue, it isn't something you take around supermarket aisles.
    I would suggest that humour isn't your thing. If you wanted to find a comparable vowel sound to the 'o' in 'trolling' then 'trolley' isn't really that good, but I do accept that it begins with 'tr'.

    I think you're making up the rule about walking - it says 'travel' doesn't it, and you seem to think that defining 'walking' as 'travel' is obtuse.

    Pubs were just an example.

    So if I live in, say, Crossens, and I want to go a furniture store to buy a suite, I walk and carry it back, do I? And if they deliver it, they're not allowed to come into my house are they?

    We're being told to keep the economy going, so does 'essential travel' cover my trip to the furniture store?

  12. Anon says:01/10/2020 09:12 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Sap33 View Post
    Or cycle, using one of the new lanes! :-D
    Along with the *masses* of others ??

  13. Sap33 says:01/10/2020 09:56 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Anon View Post
    Along with the *masses* of others ??
    I was using the cycle path along Hoghton Street and Queens Road today (it was around6am on my way to the station and then around half past 5 this evening!

  14. salus.populi says:02/10/2020 09:32 AM
    Walking is exercise and is therefore essential. So walk to and from the pub and walk off some of the calories consumed.

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  16. Alikado says:02/10/2020 09:34 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Lamparilla View Post
    I would suggest that humour isn't your thing. If you wanted to find a comparable vowel sound to the 'o' in 'trolling' then 'trolley' isn't really that good, but I do accept that it begins with 'tr'.

    I think you're making up the rule about walking - it says 'travel' doesn't it, and you seem to think that defining 'walking' as 'travel' is obtuse.

    Pubs were just an example.

    So if I live in, say, Crossens, and I want to go a furniture store to buy a suite, I walk and carry it back, do I? And if they deliver it, they're not allowed to come into my house are they?

    We're being told to keep the economy going, so does 'essential travel' cover my trip to the furniture store?
    Buying a suite is shopping an essential, when delivering it would be work not socialising so they can enter the premises however you all might end up getting £200 fines if you made them a brew.
    No travelling is banned it is just advised against.

    I also notice that Damian is saying that infection rates in Southport as well as Liverpool are rising but they won't publish the figures to enable us to make up our minds. For over a month we have been treated to news of figures from Wavertree and Riverside et al but all we get is Sefton not Southport or Formby, why do they not publish the figures, why are we being kept in the dark?

  17. hja says:02/10/2020 01:29 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by roving-eye View Post
    Southport will be among places in the UK which will see new restrictions coming into place in order to stop the recent rise in Covid-19 cases.

    MP Damien Moore has already spoken with Health Minister Helen Whately to raise concerns among local people and businesses.

    The Southport MP said: “I have asked Helen Whately that the Government ensures that the right balance is struck between protecting people, while also protecting local businesses and ensuring that financial support for local authorities including Sefton Council will be forthcoming.

    “I welcome the Government's pledge to provide an additional £7million funding to the local authorities to support areas affected.

    “Cases in Southport and across the Liverpool City Region have unfortunately been rising over recent weeks and it is vital that action is taken now to ensure that those figures are brought down as soon as possible.

    “It is also important that the measures brought in are proportionate. No-one wants to see a return to the days in March and April where a complete lockdown was in place with huge numbers of businesses and schools shut.

    “We now all have our part to play in bringing down these cases.

    “Please follow the new rules which are coming into place in our area. Please ensure you wash your hands regularly and well. Please wear a face covering when required to do so. Please maintain social distancing where you can.

    “While taking these new precautions please also continue to attend work, or school, and continue supporting our local businesses in Southport.

    “Thanks to the hard work and sacrifice of everyone earlier this year, we have already managed to bring down Covid-19 cases to a safe level once.

    “Through working collectively this time, we know we can do so again.”

    The new measures coming into force in the Liverpool City Region will be similar to those currently in place in the North East. They are due to come into force from one minute past midnight this Saturday (3 October, 2020).

    You can find them here:

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/north-ea...l-restrictions

    The new restrictions will include:

    No mixing between households other than outdoor public venues and outdoor hospitality

    No spectators for professional or amateur sports

    Essential travel only - meaning work or school

    People to only visit care homes in urgent circumstances

    The latest Covid-19 cases for Sefton which were released yesterday showed that, in the seven days to September 27, Sefton’s rate of Covid-19 infections was 182.0 per 100,000, with 503 new cases, making Sefton the 13th highest in the UK.

    This was a rise in the previous week’s figures from 121.9 cases per 100,000, with 337 new cases.

    The comparable cases for Liverpool, the third highest in the UK, are: Liverpool 258.4 (1,287), 198.4 (988).

    Health Secretary Matt Hancock told Parliament earlier: “We recommend against all social-mixing between people in different households.

    “We will bring in regulations, as we have in the North East, to prevent in law social mixing between people in different households in all settings except outdoor public spaces like parks and outdoor hospitality.

    “We also recommend that people should not attend professional or amateur sporting events as spectators in the areas that are affected.

    “We recommend that people only visit care homes in exceptional circumstances and there will be guidance against all but essential travel. Essential travel, of course, includes going to work or school.”

    Health Secretary Matt Hancock told the House of Commons earlier today that a number of new restrictions will be coming into place in Sefton and across the Liverpool City region, as well as in Warrington, Hartlepool and Middlesbrough, in order to reverse the recent rise in Coronavirus cases, while also ensuring the viability of local businesses and local schools.

    Mr Hancock also revealed a £7million package of support for local authorities including Sefton Council to help them support local communities such as Southport through the new measures.
    Fully understand that this virus has and must be brought under control but could somebody explain why Southport is “lumped” in with Liverpool when all the boroughs of Great London are looked at on an individual basis and not as a whole. Different standards for the Southerners as usual. Why lump Southport with Scouseland

  18. Sap33 says:02/10/2020 02:22 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by hja View Post
    Fully understand that this virus has and must be brought under control but could somebody explain why Southport is “lumped” in with Liverpool when all the boroughs of Great London are looked at on an individual basis and not as a whole. Different standards for the Southerners as usual. Why lump Southport with Scouseland
    Possibly because of the number of Southport residents who travel in and out of Liverpool for work.


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