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  1. Published on: 15/10/2020 04:54 AMReported by: roving-eye
    NO MORE IMPOSITIONS - FUTURE PLANS MUST COME FROM LOCAL PEOPLE


    Plans to make large parts of central Southport into what is called "a liveable neighbourhood” are being forwarded by Sefton Council with government funding and backing. This could result in many streets being blocked off to through traffic over a huge area from Lord St to Eastbourne and Cemetery Road, altering the way people approach and leave the town centre.

    The scheme hopes to be up and running by May 2021.

    Opposition leader on Sefton, Cllr John Pugh ,though is urging that nothing should be imposed on people without consent and proper consultation.

    “Although this major scheme will not be imposed under an Emergency Traffic Order as was done with the recent controversial cycle lanes, there are big questions here that need thought-through answers.

    It is unclear why this area was chosen or by whom but its a complex area with many businesses and community facilities. Big changes like this need to be designed not just FOR local people but WITH local people.

    You can’t simply import blueprints from elsewhere and expect people to just deal with the consequences.”

    The proposed scheme which has government finance behind it is being developed by the transport agency, Sustrans who intend to consult widely on the proposals.

    “My concern”, states Cllr Pugh ,” is not about the good intentions behind the scheme but about some of its obvious practical difficulties. I have no idea how much local research was conducted prior to formulating the scheme, but I can’t help thinking that local people should have been actively involved before now”.

    Cllr Pugh has produced his own consultation video explaining the scheme and its potential problems

    https://www.facebook.com/johnpughsou...7722703252263/. OR

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kuj...ew?usp=sharing.

    “People need to engage now. Nothing is final yet and local people have a right to determine how their environment looks and works.
     

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  4. The PNP says:15/10/2020 05:33 AM
    Sounds like a plan.......Very pleased to see both Scarisbrick New Rd and Lord St are included. With their high traffic levels and lack of adequate provision for safe cycling, they have become absolute nightmares for folks on bikes!
    Last edited by The PNP; 15/10/2020 at 06:35 AM.

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  7. salus.populi says:15/10/2020 11:03 AM
    https://seftonliveablestreets.commonplace.is/
    The link shows that many local people have had their input, as anyone could. This was publicised by the council several months ago.
    Of course what the Lib Dems mean is they want a poorly attended public meeting where they can set the agenda and try and impose their own ideas on the public.

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  9. justbecause says:15/10/2020 12:05 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Sounds like a plan.......Very pleased to see both Scarisbrick New Rd and Lord St are included. With their high traffic levels and lack of adequate provision for safe cycling, they have become absolute nightmares for folks on bikes!
    I suppose you haven’t hi-jacked this post with your cycling propaganda either.

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  11. Username2016 says:15/10/2020 01:07 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by roving-eye View Post
    NO MORE IMPOSITIONS - FUTURE PLANS MUST COME FROM LOCAL PEOPLE
    John Pugh and his Merry people have had almost two decades to have input on future plans and put into effect and so far visible viewpoints to improve the town only revolve around a tram between ASDA and the pier and everything else revolves around Sainsbury’s.

    Giving the libs a platform on this would just be a waste of time as if they were to improve the town, they’d have done it by now especially given their slip in relevance since John Pugh arguably squandered Southport’s opportunity when he was in the coalition.

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  13. muddyboots says:15/10/2020 03:57 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    I suppose you haven’t hi-jacked this post with your cycling propaganda either.
    has anybody actually ever seen anyone on a bike doing shopping?...im sure i would notice a pervert in lycra with a shopping bag....meanwhile the town is being destroyed by the war against real shoppers in cars

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  15. The PNP says:15/10/2020 05:37 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by muddyboots View Post
    has anybody actually ever seen anyone on a bike doing shopping?...im sure i would notice a pervert in lycra with a shopping bag....meanwhile the town is being destroyed by the war against real shoppers in cars
    Imo, there are way more pervs in cars - lol!
    Last edited by The PNP; 15/10/2020 at 06:03 PM.

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  17. K-T says:15/10/2020 06:40 PM
    I don't understand the animosity.
    I've watched the video and it doesn't look to me as if the Liberals are trying to push an agenda. They are trying to make the public aware of a proposal that will affect us all. I would have thought, given all the animosity to the cycle lanes that were recently installed with no consultation, people would be grateful for this heads-up, so they can get involved and object if they want to.
    Although there might have been consultation already, I'm sure that many, like me, were not aware of these plans.

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  19. donkey22 says:15/10/2020 06:56 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Imo, there are way more pervs in cars - lol!
    I’d also be very wary of the perv’s who go shopping decked out in their muddyboots.

  20. donkey22 says:15/10/2020 07:11 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by muddyboots View Post
    has anybody actually ever seen anyone on a bike doing shopping?
    No! It’s far too difficult trying to balance your shopping trolley on the handlebars without bumping into other shoppers as well as riding in a straight line. Duh.

  21. r4dent says:15/10/2020 07:19 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Imo, there are way more pervs in cars - lol!
    There are more kind people in cars than on bikes but there are also more nasty people in cars than on bikes.

    There are more people with beards in cars than on bikes
    and there are more clean shaven people with beards in cars than on bikes.


    Because there are more people in cars than on bikes, IMO basic maths.






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  23. justbecause says:15/10/2020 08:31 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by K-T View Post
    I don't understand the animosity.
    I've watched the video and it doesn't look to me as if the Liberals are trying to push an agenda. They are trying to make the public aware of a proposal that will affect us all. I would have thought, given all the animosity to the cycle lanes that were recently installed with no consultation, people would be grateful for this heads-up, so they can get involved and object if they want to.
    Although there might have been consultation already, I'm sure that many, like me, were not aware of these plans.
    It won’t make a scrap of difference, the reality is, Sefton Council is a dictatorship, if it has made this decision you can rest assured that it will go ahead no matter how many objections it receives. The pedestrianisation, (destruction) of Chapel Street is testament to that.

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  25. Sap33 says:15/10/2020 09:13 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by muddyboots View Post
    has anybody actually ever seen anyone on a bike doing shopping?...im sure i would notice a pervert in lycra with a shopping bag....meanwhile the town is being destroyed by the war against real shoppers in cars
    I often use my bike to go into town and shop. If I’m doing my weekly shop, or I’m buying something bulky/heavy, I’ll go in the car. It’s quite a simple concept, why clog up the roads if I’m only buying something I can get into a day sack?

    (And for the good of everyone, I don’t wear Lycra!)

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  27. The PNP says:16/10/2020 08:17 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    It won’t make a scrap of difference, the reality is, Sefton Council is a dictatorship, if it has made this decision you can rest assured that it will go ahead
    Disagree. E.g. when consultation took place some years ago for Portland St, it was retained as a through-route for motor traffic in accordance with public response to the consultation.

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