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  1. The PNP says:24/06/2022 04:20 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by MICK/GILLY View Post
    It’s all a natural process as are we and all that comes with us, If you are living in a bubble and think the world and it’s climate will stay the same forevermore then good luck with that, it’s been changing and will continue to do so, ice caps will melt and thaw again and again over billions of years, seas will become deserts and deserts will become seas, species will evolve and others become extinct, the poles will shift backwards and forwards and at any moment a rock from space could end it all in a Big Bang
    So in other words, it's b@lls to the #Climate Crisis - let's all just keep on doing what we're doing and let the firkin future look after itself - duh!

    Nobody is frightened of cycling
    Yet in an earlier post you said:
    I re learned how vulnerable and dangerous cycling is
    So, make up your mind mate!

    Cycle lanes are not being used so why make more
    Entirely false...Go stand at corner of Hoghton/London St for a short while - and then tell me you saw nobody on a bike!

    if they want to spend this funding with their mates they should improve the cycle lanes nobody uses on the bypasses well out of town .
    Thanks to your Facebook buddies who voted to scupper the PNR/L'pool Rd scheme (much to the loss of our towns bike users both present and future) they are spending it on the Formby bypass instead.

    The PNR/L'pool Rd scheme, had it been allowed to proceed, would have extended the existing safe route through town. It would have been possible to ride in relative safety from the Plough roundabout, right through to Hillside, whilst connecting all points between. But hey-ho, because cycling is 'the most disliked mode of transport there is' (your words), perhaps it's all for the best - duh!
    Last edited by The PNP; 24/06/2022 at 05:03 PM.

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  3. MICK/GILLY says:24/06/2022 08:04 PM
    Cycling can be dangerous especially when people ride 2 or 3 abreast or in the middle of the road and with this danger comes vulnerability especially if you are undertaking cars turning left, you don’t really have to ride wrong to be unsafe as it’s unsafe to start with riding in what amounts to a couple of metal sticks connected to razor thin wheels.
    And I haven’t got Facebook but I can only imagine the consensus is the same across all social media platforms, Facebook could do a poll but there has already been one and the VAST MAJORITY decided against these lanes.
    I think I have said all I can on this subject, I don’t want to argue with your many accounts and you are the only one on this thread that they all are calling deluded and a nutter for talking a bad case around the world with false facts and grasping at straws and once you start your old game of backing your poor arguments up with false accounts it’s time for me to say “ I meant all that I have said and I think it’s fair comment “ if I was to argue with you and your accounts in circles I might come across as anti cyclist, and that’s not how I am.
    Your arguments and stance is dead in the water and only you can’t see it, no one agrees with you it’s sad to watch.

  4. Mr B S Sniffer says:24/06/2022 08:07 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    And tbh, I can't work out why some people are so opposed to the notion of making life safer for bike-users? You may have no intention of ever getting on a bike and fair enough, I accept that to be your choice. However, there are plenty who very likely would, if they perceived it to be safe to do so. This is the group at which safe infra is aimed.
    I ventured into Southport today and not a single bike to be seen using the cycle lanes. I got off the bus opposite the office, walked onto Chapel st and a clown on a bike racing a clown on a scooter nearly hit me! You lot need to be banned from the pavement.

    Some of your lot I believe

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  5. The PNP says:24/06/2022 08:24 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr B S Sniffer View Post
    I ventured into Southport today and not a single bike to be seen using the cycle lanes. I got off the bus opposite the office, walked onto Chapel st and a clown on a bike racing a clown on a scooter nearly hit me! You lot need to be banned from the pavement.
    Surprising perhaps, but I agree with you. Only condition is, riders must be provided with a suitable alternative which doesn't put them in the firing-line of lethal motor traffic.

    Btw, all this riding on pavement stuff rarely happens in NL, where not only have they very comprehensive cycle infra - it's almost all of road quality! Because of that, there is absolutely zero incentive whatsoever to ride on a pavement cluttered with pedestrians, etc. Why would anyone want to do that, when the cycle tarmac right alongside it is continuous, clear of peds and obstructions and designed for speeds up to 30mph?

  6. The PNP says:24/06/2022 08:52 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by MICK/GILLY View Post
    Cycling can be dangerous especially when people ride 2 or 3 abreast or in the middle of the road and with this danger comes vulnerability especially if you are undertaking cars turning left, you don’t really have to ride wrong to be unsafe as it’s unsafe to start with riding in what amounts to a couple of metal sticks connected to razor thin wheels.
    Roads containing motor traffic (whatever your mode of transport) are dangerous places to be for anyone - full stop! If the road was a safe place to be, there'd be no need for airbags, side impact protection systems, front and rear crumplezones, safety glass, seatbelts etc, in every car.

    Cyclists meanwhile, have none of these safety features to save them, should a drunk/drugged/distracted/overtired driver run into them. It doesn't matter how great a cyclist you are, or how expensive, well maintained and expertly ridden the bike, danger of death or life-changing injury is ever-present....It's not too long ago, that Sir Bradly Wiggins himself was sent flying, by a lady driving out of a filling-station - remember?

    Squishy bodies atop two lightweight wheels and a bit of tubing, don't want to be thrown into the mix with (up to 30ton) thundering steel projectiles - I certainly do not. Yet here you are, arguing at your level best to deprive those vulnerable riders, young and old, of a way to make their trips with that risk-factor minimised - duh!

  7. MICK/GILLY says:24/06/2022 11:24 PM
    Your answers to basic facts are irrelevant to the statements and going into the realms of fantasy. Mr b s was taking about chapel st and how no one uses cycle lanes and I was saying it’s the cyclists that don’t care for safety even running into mr bs sniffer and you come out with that tripe .

  8. The PNP says:25/06/2022 06:59 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by MICK/GILLY View Post
    Your answers to basic facts are irrelevant to the statements and going into the realms of fantasy. Mr b s was taking about chapel st and how no one uses cycle lanes and I was saying it’s the cyclists that don’t care for safety even running into mr bs sniffer and you come out with that tripe .
    There are kids who ride bikes and scooters irresponsibly. There are kids who drive motorbikes and cars irresponsibly as well, even at speed through parks and on pavements..... Thankfully, most motorists don't act like that and most cyclists don't either. And btw, people do use cycle lanes - come to Hoghton St with me and I'll point some out for you.

    However, to cite a one-off example like that and then conflate it with getting rid of all cycle infra, would be like me saying the same about car infra.....by calling for the scrapping of all roads, because 'no one uses them' and a kid drove irresponsibly - duh!

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