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    Quote Originally Posted by greenmachine View Post
    I dont know what the answer is. But I think promoting wind turbines as clean energy is just a box ticking exercise. A bit like a regular gambler. They only tell you about their winnings never their losses.
    That is the way of the world these days - the people are given so much scientific information on the 'what' they do not think to question the 'how'.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    Is it an extract from the Gammon Bible? Greta Thunberg appearing childish, being a child. She too old for you now? All we need to do to combat disease is catch it? Ebola, Sar-Cov, Smallpox? Tragic old white man / woman telling black people they know nothing of black history? Attenborough is wrong, even though Seivad has already listed his qualifications? Fossil fuels are just fine? The EU is funding 'Coronavirus Events'?

    What a steaming pile of horseshit. Beginning to end.

    When it comes to arrogant fools, you are the head-jammed-up-your-own-ar$e king of the frigging world.

    You are not exactly the best informed person to make a comment, are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    You are not exactly the best informed person to make a comment, are you?
    So says the biggest fantasy poster on this site and probably others as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver fox View Post
    So says the biggest fantasy poster on this site and probably others as well.
    I doubt Said is anyone's "fantasy poster"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver fox View Post
    So says the biggest fantasy poster on this site and probably others as well.

    Those who cannot understand nor take the trouble to find out facts - will consider everything a fantasy. The weird thing is that you claim my posts are fantasy - yet you accept without question the most ludicrous, the most illogical and even downright stupid explanations, issued nationally. Go figure!

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    "I dont know what the answer is. But I think promoting wind turbines as clean energy is just a box ticking exercise. …" — post #28

    qué será, será ?
    The consequences of resignation vis-à-vis climate change are not dismissible as someone else's problem. Already here in Southport's and neighbouring West Lancashire's low-lying terrain flooding is a recurring nuisance. Sea level rise will only make matters worse.

    While it is true that wind turbines' cost includes embedded greenhouse gas emissions, your propensity to write-off wind power as "box ticking" suggests that you're reluctant to contemplate the ways mitigating the effects of GHGs might impinge upon the style of life you've become accustomed to. However if you think mitigating climate change is troublesome, consider the consequences of not doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    Those who cannot understand nor take the trouble to find out facts - will consider everything a fantasy. The weird thing is that you claim my posts are fantasy - yet you accept without question the most ludicrous, the most illogical and even downright stupid explanations, issued nationally. Go figure!
    And those of us who try to find facts, but quickly scan over spreadsheet headings and end up presenting the wrong 'facts' to support their assertions, should take more care before presenting themselves as Q Local's fact finder extraordinaire.

    I await your apology to those you have accused of making ludicrous, illogical and downright stupid explanations on the thread below. How does that egg taste?

    https://www.qlocal.co.uk/southport/f...tm#post6747683

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    Time is a concept invented by humans, people are looking to science and religion to work out the beginnings of this planet that we somehow appeared on and all the data and beliefs are at best a guess.
    But one thing we have come to learn is that the climate has been changing one way or the other since the start ( whenever that was or we think it was ), there are ages of ice and continents that have sailed away from each other on a grand scale, poles have completely shifted many times and mountains appeared that used to be under the sea.
    What I am getting at is nothing here is guaranteed over time, little things like climate change is nothing compared to what’s been going on or what’s to come. The climate will continue to change as it’s always done over time regardless of us or a few farting cows, meanwhile magnetic north continues to move and at some point the poles will shift again and no colour of recycling bin will stop that either .

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandGroundZero View Post
    "I dont know what the answer is. But I think promoting wind turbines as clean energy is just a box ticking exercise. …" — post #28

    qué será, será ?
    The consequences of resignation vis-à-vis climate change are not dismissible as someone else's problem. Already here in Southport's and neighbouring West Lancashire's low-lying terrain flooding is a recurring nuisance. Sea level rise will only make matters worse.

    While it is true that wind turbines' cost includes embedded greenhouse gas emissions, your propensity to write-off wind power as "box ticking" suggests that you're reluctant to contemplate the ways mitigating the effects of GHGs might impinge upon the style of life you've become accustomed to. However if you think mitigating climate change is troublesome, consider the consequences of not doing so.
    I suspect that the fact that despite 2 world wars and numerous others the world population is allmost 5 times what it was in1900 has had a massive effect on green house gasses. Mother Nature is no dummy. Maybe she thinks we need a cull to survive. Is that possibly what is happening now ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenmachine View Post
    I suspect that the fact that despite 2 world wars and numerous others the world population is allmost 5 times what it was in1900 has had a massive effect on green house gasses. Mother Nature is no dummy. Maybe she thinks we need a cull to survive. Is that possibly what is happening now ?

    No - you are looking in the wrong direction. What is happening now has less to do with Mother Nature than political operations.

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    "…the world population is allmost 5 times what it was in1900 has had a massive effect on green house gasses. …Maybe [Mother Nature] thinks we need a cull to survive. Is that possibly what is happening now ?"
    Nature isn't very motherly. If humankind extinguishes itself and 4/5 of species, whatever survives will evolve to fill the gaps.


    None of us should be too complacent. Humans now have the capacity to preempt nature, "cull" large numbers of homo sapien and have another stab at managing the environment more sustainably. The question, perhaps: 'Who escapes the cull?' I suspect the readers of this thread will be among the expendables!

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    None of us should be too complacent. Humans now have the capacity to preempt nature, "cull" large numbers of homo sapien and have another stab at managing the environment more sustainably. The question, perhaps: 'Who escapes the cull?' I suspect the readers of this thread will be among the expendables![/QUOTE]


    That task has been handed over to MI5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandGroundZero View Post
    "[COLOR="#8B4513"] --- Already here in Southport's and neighbouring West Lancashire's low-lying terrain flooding is a recurring nuisance. Sea level rise will only make matters worse. ---
    Which is exactly why I say that the priority should be in learning to cope with climate change. Flood defences etc, etc, rather than follow the futile path of trying to prevent it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duncet View Post
    Which is exactly why I say that the priority should be in learning to cope with climate change. Flood defences etc, etc, rather than follow the futile path of trying to prevent it.
    Why not both?

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    — George Monbiot from The Guardian (web pages)

    The human tragedy is that there is no connection between what we know and what we do. Almost everyone is now at least vaguely aware that we face the greatest catastrophe our species has ever confronted. Yet scarcely anyone alters their behaviour in response: above all, their driving, flying and consumption of meat and dairy.

    An analysis by conservation charity WWF suggests that, while the last UK budget allocated £145m for environmental measures, it dedicated £40bn to policies that will increase emissions.

    Boris Johnson appears to be on the point of approving the development of a new oilfield – the Cambo – in the North Sea. Yet, as climate scientists have long explained, there is no realistic prospect of preventing more than 1.5C of global heating unless all new fossil fuel development is stopped. In fact, existing projects need to be retired.

    The same goes for almost every government. As soon as Joe Biden’s green promises collided with business as usual, they collapsed in a crumpled heap.

    On behalf of commercial interests, governments are all too happy to be constrained. A UK oil company is currently suing the Italian government for the loss of its “future anticipated profits”after Italy banned new oil drilling in coastal waters. Italy used to be a signatory to the Energy Charter Treaty, which allows companies to demand compensation if it stops future projects. …

    This is one of many examples of “investor-state dispute settlement”, that makes effective action against climate breakdown almost impossible. It represents an outrageous curtailment of political choice, with which governments like ours are entirely comfortable. …Otherwise, future corporate profits remain officially more important than life on Earth.
    The global emergency requires a new politics, but it is nowhere in sight. Governments still fear lobby groups more than they fear the collapse of our living systems. For tiny and temporary political gains, they commit us to vast and irreversible consequences. MPs with no discernible record of concern for poor people, and a long record of voting against them, suddenly claim that climate action must be stymied to protect them.

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