Operation Yellowhammer - is it time to stock up

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I'm not sure it is complete denial or sheer stupidity that leads people to blindly reject everything that has been written, by the government and civil service, about the possibilities surrounding a 'no-deal' Brexit. Not just the government, industry heads, economists, other European governments, those who actually run the ports and customs, the House of Lords report.

THIS report:

https://publications.parliament.uk/p...om/129/129.pdf

Why would planes circle the country? Are they going to take off just before midnight on Brexit eve in the insane hope that it was all just a dream? Maybe if they circle long enough, the laws governing international trade will just change, if they promise to be good? Please please please?

Or Spanish farmers, because they really really want to sell to us, will ignore EU rules, despite any consequences that will befall them?

The 'banana boats', to take one person's example, don't just dock and throw bananas onto the quayside. There are customs and rules that need to be followed. Those rules change after 'no-deal'.

This fairy land where goods just flow in and out of the country is only because we are part of the EU. The EU is the exception when it comes to open borders, not the rule.

Dismissing these fact just makes people look pretty stupid. 'Oh, haha, are they just going to stop France selling us wine in your la la land?'. No. they aren't. But it will cost more and take a lot longer to get in. FFS, what is so hard to figure out?

And even when the government tells you this. When industries tell you this. It's still 'Not listening, don't want to know. Project Fear'. WTAF is hard to understand about this:

“Currently due to frictionless borders, even the most perishable products such as soft fruit can be transported from Spain but still have 5 days shelf life in store or fresh beef can be transported from Ireland, minced and still have up to 10 days shelf life. Delays due to border controls will reduce the life of products in the home, driving up food waste or, in the worst cases meaning it is unproductive to put it into store. We know where SPS [Sanitary and Phytosanitary] checks are applied to products from outside the EU such as processed meat coming into the UK that additional checks can take up to 2 days which is not feasible for a fresh supply chain”

Green beans. Bananas. Read the sodding report, FGS.

As usual you answer with the thought power of a drunken hamster your mind whipped up by anti-brexit hysteria,

the first and overriding question which you completely let fly straight over your head is who will be checking the "banana boat" but us ?

Who will be checking the green bean plane but us ?

Will Boris be issuing dictats from No 10 "stop the boats let the bananas rot" ?

Shoot down the green beans plane.

The delays on entry to our country for goods are what we make them.

The much vaunted WORSE CASE delays whipped up by the anti-brexit departments in Whitehall are legendary in their fiction there will be delays but of little significance in the grand scale.


The beginning of November will be a damp squib as the work done to iron out problems by governments and the private sector will come into action.

The remoaners will wring their hands with glee at any suggestion of a tomato going adrift "told you so" will ring from the front pages of the Guardian et al.

The thought that we have some bright people able to overcome any difficulties will be hard for the remoaners to accept.

They want chaos, their cheer leaders in Parliament don't want our country to be independent and succeed they truly are the anti-democracy trouble makers.

[Toodles McGinty]

As usual you answer with the thought power of a drunken hamster your mind whipped up by anti-brexit hysteria,

First of all - f&*k you. Who the f&*k do you think you are?

Second of all:

the first and overriding question which you completely let fly straight over your head is who will be checking the "banana boat" but us ?

Who will be checking the green bean plane but us ?

Will Boris be issuing dictats from No 10 "stop the boats let the bananas rot" ?

Shoot down the green beans plane.

The delays on entry to our country for goods are what we make them.

You obviously either haven't a clue how our customs and border controls work (as you ask over and over and over again 'why will there be delays, planes circling etc etc), or refuse to read the government paper detailing the problem, or simply choose to believe the opposite of all the industry experts with the blind ignorance of a zealot.

Which suggests you voted with the reasoning and deliberation of a two year old throwing a tantrum.

The same scenarios, which many of us have repeated over and over, haven't simply been conjured up by some mass hallucination. Nor some 'lefty loser' newsletter. I have presented the links to government papers, articles by business insiders and experts, economists and customs personnel. Nothing has 'flown over my head'. The customs delays, the tariffs etc have all been made plain. That you choose to discount all of that information is your outlook.

Ignorance is bliss, after all.

Here's the link for the third or fourth time. It isn't from a tabloid rag. It is a published government document. https://publications.parliament.uk/p...om/129/129.pdf

Read it. Don't read it. But with the 'thought power of a drunken hamster' I say once more: f&*k you.

[Toodles McGinty]

Yes I did read Seivad's post and I agree we need immigrants.
Unlike you I am pro non EU immigrants and Migrants.

Non EU migrants and immigrants have to provide evidence they can support them self and family to reside in the UK.
The same system will apply to EU Immigrants after Brexit ensuring that the pensions of the elder generation including migrants and immigrants can be met.

I'm not that fussed where immigrants come from. It isn't losing or gaining one or another that bothers me. It's the loss of the whole economic powerhouse that I'm bothered about. As you know, there are areas where I'd like immigration to be tightened, but that has nothing to do with the Brexit debacle, for me.

I thought you were bothered about radical Muslims coming through mainland Europe, which is why I said that they can get here directly if we have to open our border to non-EU immigration through trade deals. Several countries, as you know, have already specified that as a condition of a deal.

What if a country such as India wants freedom of movement in exchange for trade? I can't see that being a massively reciprocal matter. Whereas, with EU countries, I'd like future generations to move freely around Europe.

My sister looked into emigrating years ago. One in and one outside of the EU. The complexity of emigrating outside the EU was enormous. She plumped for Spain in the end, and spent many happy years there. My niece was educated there. No endless form filling, just the freedom to live where they pleased. I'd like that for my grandkids. Mind you, I'd like my grandkids not to be breathing in lungs full of microscopic plastics in a few years. I'm not going to get that either.

So, H, what if the economic future lies in a freedom of movement trade deal with the middle east, or Africa. Is that just the same as with the EU, a necessity to forge a future, or out of the question for you?

Surely if you are convinced that Green Beans and Bananas are going to be held up at the border then illegal immigrants and contraband will also be affected?...

I don't think people traffickers queue up at customs. And border patrol is already stretched to the limit as it is.

Contraband such as tobacco might, but only at a 'fetch us 10 packs while you're over there' level, not at an organised crime level.

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First of all - f&*k you. Who the f&*k do you think you are?

Second of all:



You obviously either haven't a clue how our customs and border controls work (as you ask over and over and over again 'why will there be delays, planes circling etc etc), or refuse to read the government paper detailing the problem, or simply choose to believe the opposite of all the industry experts with the blind ignorance of a zealot.

Which suggests you voted with the reasoning and deliberation of a two year old throwing a tantrum.

The same scenarios, which many of us have repeated over and over, haven't simply been conjured up by some mass hallucination. Nor some 'lefty loser' newsletter. I have presented the links to government papers, articles by business insiders and experts, economists and customs personnel. Nothing has 'flown over my head'. The customs delays, the tariffs etc have all been made plain. That you choose to discount all of that information is your outlook.

Ignorance is bliss, after all.

Here's the link for the third or fourth time. It isn't from a tabloid rag. It is a published government document. https://publications.parliament.uk/p...om/129/129.pdf

Read it. Don't read it. But with the 'thought power of a drunken hamster' I say once more: f&*k you.

The usual potty mouthed response , should we expect any better and support from the usual.

It is abundantly clear you do not understand how goods from outside the EU get here and are dealt with.

If you had took the trouble to read the document you link to and in particular its authors you may just may have gained some credibility.

It is about as balanced and objective as you are.

From Baroness Hilltop (Labour) downwards it completely lacks objectivity.

Or maybe Lord Rooker (Labour)

Better still The Members of the EU Energy and Environment Sub-Committee, which conducted this
inquiry, are:
Lord Curry of Kirkharle Lord Rooker Lord Teverson (Chairman)


Lord Teverson Liberal Democrat, that is akin to appointing Nigel Farage in charge of telling us how great staying in the EU would be.

It is absurdly anti-brexit.

I expect little of reasoned educated discussion from you and am rarely disappointed by you or your cohorts.

[Hamble]

I'm not that fussed where immigrants come from. It isn't losing or gaining one or another that bothers me. It's the loss of the whole economic powerhouse that I'm bothered about. As you know, there are areas where I'd like immigration to be tightened, but that has nothing to do with the Brexit debacle, for me.

I thought you were bothered about radical Muslims coming through mainland Europe, which is why I said that they can get here directly if we have to open our border to non-EU immigration through trade deals. Several countries, as you know, have already specified that as a condition of a deal.

What if a country such as India wants freedom of movement in exchange for trade? I can't see that being a massively reciprocal matter. Whereas, with EU countries, I'd like future generations to move freely around Europe.

My sister looked into emigrating years ago. One in and one outside of the EU. The complexity of emigrating outside the EU was enormous. She plumped for Spain in the end, and spent many happy years there. My niece was educated there. No endless form filling, just the freedom to live where they pleased. I'd like that for my grandkids. Mind you, I'd like my grandkids not to be breathing in lungs full of microscopic plastics in a few years. I'm not going to get that either.

So, H, what if the economic future lies in a freedom of movement trade deal with the middle east, or Africa. Is that just the same as with the EU, a necessity to forge a future, or out of the question for you?




I don't think people traffickers queue up at customs. And border patrol is already stretched to the limit as it is.

Contraband such as tobacco might, but only at a 'fetch us 10 packs while you're over there' level, not at an organised crime level.

I am not as worried as I used to be about European Terrorism coming to the UK.
In hind sight I am not sure if that is from knowing the attacks here were 'home grown' or the success our services have at thwarting attacks.

Compared to previous generation migrants the present
new to the UK are just overwhelmed with the complexity of a new Country/language and the expenses they could
not foresee.
With no transport high rents usually one parent working life is tough.
Plus they are competing with so many other EU migrants and Brits.

If there was no Brexit vote I would be the first to say new arrivals should be given extra help to cope and a basic wage so that contributing to the economy and supporting people would benefit everyone.

I am against Free Movement.
It cannot be budgeted for only rationing of services.

As the UK is so populated the rules need to be strictly job specific and benefiting man kind specific.
If the UK is strict with work immigration it can be generous with asylum requests.

[Toodles McGinty]

The usual potty mouthed response , should we expect any better and support from the usual.

Do not come on here hurling insults and then start clutching your pearls when you get a response.

It is abundantly clear you do not understand how goods from outside the EU get here and are dealt with.

It is abundantly clear that I do. I don't care which route is taken, which mode of transport is used, virtually everything brought here is through trade deals as part of the EU.

If you had took the trouble to read the document you link to and in particular its authors you may just may have gained some credibility.

It is about as balanced and objective as you are.

You've cherry picked a few which you seem to think are anti-Brexit. The fact is they are completely cross-party or not affiliated. Most have specialised interests in the subject at hand. They are listed with their present or past positions:

Rooker - Minister of State for Sustainable Food and Farming and Animal Health at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Baroness Hilltop - Minister for Environment, Transport and Regions, then Dept of Transport
Lord Curry - chaired the Policy Commission on the Future of Farming and Food
Boswell - political advisor to the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food
Baroness Brown - scientist / engineer
Browning - Parliamentary Under Secretary of State at the Ministry for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food
Crisp - Chief Executive of the NHS and Permanent Secretary at the Department of Health
Cromwell - policy interests agriculture, animals, food and rural affairs
Falkner - Director of International and European Affairs
Liddle - Director of International and European Affairs, responsible for liaison with business and trade unions on European issues
Neville-Rolfe - Chairman of Assured Food Standards, Commercial Secretary to the Treasury, worked at the Ministry for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food
Selkirk - a Lord Commissioner of the Treasury
Teverson - Liberal Democrat Lords Spokesperson (Transport)
Verma - Spokesperson for the Cabinet Office, International Development,
Whitty - Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State at DEFRA with responsibility for Farming, Food and Sustainable Energy
Wilcox - Under-Secretary of State for Business innovation and Skills, Chairman of the UK National Consumer Council
Woolmer - oversaw the creation of Leeds University Business School
Krebs - chairman of the Food Standards Agency
Montrose - policy interests Agriculture, animals, food and rural affairs Energy and environment, Transport
Sheehan - Liberal Democrat Lords Spokesperson International Development

And there's you. With your opinion, without evidence, without a single credible source.

Their sources are clearly noted:

Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, Agriculture in the United Kingdom data sets,
World Trade Organization
Written evidence from the UK Trade Policy Observatory (BFS0009)
Professor Tim Benton, Dean of Strategic Research Initiatives at the University of Leeds and Distinguished Visiting Fellow at Chatham House
The National Pig Association
the National Farmers’ Union (NFU)
Food and Drink Federation
European Union Committee, Brexit: the options for trade
European Union Committee, Brexit: agriculture
Written evidence submitted to the EU External Affairs Sub-Committee and the EU Internal Market Sub-Committee, joint inquiry on Brexit: the options for trade (Session 2016–17), Peter Ungphakorn
House of Commons International Trade Committee,
British Retail Consortium
Written evidence from the City of London Corporation (BFS0005)
Impact of non-tariff barriers as a result of Brexit (January 2018), p 53: https://assets.kpmg.com/content/dam/...sult-of-brexit.
Written evidence from the UK Trade Policy Observatory (BFS0009)
Written evidence from the Freight Transport Association (BFS0012)
National Audit Office
KPMG for the Dutch Government
Written evidence from the Food and Drink Federation
Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
British Poultry Council
the Food Foundation
British Egg Industry Council
Which?

And there's you. With your sneering 'who will be checking the banana boats', 'maybe you should move to Brussels', 'So what exactly is going to cause these presumably days of delays for food to rot', 'Can the doom mongers please enlighten us how foodstuffs from around the globe way outside the EU wonderland get here without rotting ?' etc etc.

Showing an astounding lack of knowledge on a subject you seem to post on quite a lot. Except they are simply snide comments. No facts. No evidence from experts to state unreservedly that delays cannot happen. Just 'lefty loser' or 'remoaner'. Playground insults and gammon logic.

I expect little of reasoned educated discussion from you and am rarely disappointed by you or your cohorts.

That is because you wouldn't recognise reasoned educated discussion if it smashed you in the face. Your version of 'reasoned discussion' goes:

"Will Mr Spanish farmer say I'm not selling to the UK anymore ?"

Someone explains why 'Mr Spanish farmer' can't sell to the UK without a trade deal'

"Ohh lefty loser. Remoaner remoaner. Planes circling. Project Fear'.

Someone explains again.

''You don't understand how food gets here'.

You are the swivel-eyed loon that Fat Al, Farage and the ERG has dangling like a puppet on a string. Take your puce-faced childish opinions and shove them where the sun don't shine. And don't engage with my posts on this subject until you can offer a single shred of evidence to back up your 'we got through two world wars, let's put the 'Great' back in Britain, can-do attitude, we can ignore every law on trade because we've gots bigs brains' type horseshit.

[seivad]

That is because you wouldn't recognise reasoned educated discussion if it smashed you in the face. Your version of 'reasoned discussion' goes:

"Will Mr Spanish farmer say I'm not selling to the UK anymore ?"

Someone explains why 'Mr Spanish farmer' can't sell to the UK without a trade deal'

"Ohh lefty loser. Remoaner remoaner. Planes circling. Project Fear'.

Someone explains again.

''You don't understand how food gets here'.

You are the swivel-eyed loon that Fat Al, Farage and the ERG has dangling like a puppet on a string. Take your puce-faced childish opinions and shove them where the sun don't shine. And don't engage with my posts on this subject until you can offer a single shred of evidence to back up your 'we got through two world wars, let's put the 'Great' back in Britain, can-do attitude, we can ignore every law on trade because we've gots bigs brains' type horseshit.

Oh the irony of a member claiming they don't expect reasoned educated discussion from you, when their posts were held from the end of 2016 to mid March 2019 for moderation/validation before they appeared on the forum. There's a reason that member's posts are held for validation, and it's not usually for reasoned educated discussion.

[Toodles McGinty]

Oh the irony of a member claiming they don't expect reasoned educated discussion from you, when their posts were held from the end of 2016 to mid March 2019 for moderation/validation before they appeared on the forum. There's a reason that member's posts are held for validation, and it's not usually for reasoned educated discussion.

Why am I not surprised?

I had decided not to respond directly to him / her, but I thought that the link to the government paper might be useful. It covers a fair bit in simple terms and confirms what most of us have been saying. Insofar you can trust the government, anyway.

Should have known better.

I should stockpile Valium along with beans 'n' bogroll. I'd make a killing just on here

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Oh the irony of a member claiming they don't expect reasoned educated discussion from you, when their posts were held from the end of 2016 to mid March 2019 for moderation/validation before they appeared on the forum. There's a reason that member's posts are held for validation, and it's not usually for reasoned educated discussion.

Its probably because I didn't F and blind so much you like that.



Whilst were on the subject why don't you post the reason why my posts were held for moderation, not enough profanities perhaps ?

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Do not come on here hurling insults and then start clutching your pearls when you get a response.



It is abundantly clear that I do. I don't care which route is taken, which mode of transport is used, virtually everything brought here is through trade deals as part of the EU.




You've cherry picked a few which you seem to think are anti-Brexit. The fact is they are completely cross-party or not affiliated. Most have specialised interests in the subject at hand. They are listed with their present or past positions:

Rooker - Minister of State for Sustainable Food and Farming and Animal Health at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Baroness Hilltop - Minister for Environment, Transport and Regions, then Dept of Transport
Lord Curry - chaired the Policy Commission on the Future of Farming and Food
Boswell - political advisor to the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food
Baroness Brown - scientist / engineer
Browning - Parliamentary Under Secretary of State at the Ministry for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food
Crisp - Chief Executive of the NHS and Permanent Secretary at the Department of Health
Cromwell - policy interests agriculture, animals, food and rural affairs
Falkner - Director of International and European Affairs
Liddle - Director of International and European Affairs, responsible for liaison with business and trade unions on European issues
Neville-Rolfe - Chairman of Assured Food Standards, Commercial Secretary to the Treasury, worked at the Ministry for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food
Selkirk - a Lord Commissioner of the Treasury
Teverson - Liberal Democrat Lords Spokesperson (Transport)
Verma - Spokesperson for the Cabinet Office, International Development,
Whitty - Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State at DEFRA with responsibility for Farming, Food and Sustainable Energy
Wilcox - Under-Secretary of State for Business innovation and Skills, Chairman of the UK National Consumer Council
Woolmer - oversaw the creation of Leeds University Business School
Krebs - chairman of the Food Standards Agency
Montrose - policy interests Agriculture, animals, food and rural affairs Energy and environment, Transport
Sheehan - Liberal Democrat Lords Spokesperson International Development

And there's you. With your opinion, without evidence, without a single credible source.

Their sources are clearly noted:

Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, Agriculture in the United Kingdom data sets,
World Trade Organization
Written evidence from the UK Trade Policy Observatory (BFS0009)
Professor Tim Benton, Dean of Strategic Research Initiatives at the University of Leeds and Distinguished Visiting Fellow at Chatham House
The National Pig Association
the National Farmers’ Union (NFU)
Food and Drink Federation
European Union Committee, Brexit: the options for trade
European Union Committee, Brexit: agriculture
Written evidence submitted to the EU External Affairs Sub-Committee and the EU Internal Market Sub-Committee, joint inquiry on Brexit: the options for trade (Session 2016–17), Peter Ungphakorn
House of Commons International Trade Committee,
British Retail Consortium
Written evidence from the City of London Corporation (BFS0005)
Impact of non-tariff barriers as a result of Brexit (January 2018), p 53: https://assets.kpmg.com/content/dam/...sult-of-brexit.
Written evidence from the UK Trade Policy Observatory (BFS0009)
Written evidence from the Freight Transport Association (BFS0012)
National Audit Office
KPMG for the Dutch Government
Written evidence from the Food and Drink Federation
Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
British Poultry Council
the Food Foundation
British Egg Industry Council
Which?

And there's you. With your sneering 'who will be checking the banana boats', 'maybe you should move to Brussels', 'So what exactly is going to cause these presumably days of delays for food to rot', 'Can the doom mongers please enlighten us how foodstuffs from around the globe way outside the EU wonderland get here without rotting ?' etc etc.

Showing an astounding lack of knowledge on a subject you seem to post on quite a lot. Except they are simply snide comments. No facts. No evidence from experts to state unreservedly that delays cannot happen. Just 'lefty loser' or 'remoaner'. Playground insults and gammon logic.



That is because you wouldn't recognise reasoned educated discussion if it smashed you in the face. Your version of 'reasoned discussion' goes:

"Will Mr Spanish farmer say I'm not selling to the UK anymore ?"

Someone explains why 'Mr Spanish farmer' can't sell to the UK without a trade deal'

"Ohh lefty loser. Remoaner remoaner. Planes circling. Project Fear'.

Someone explains again.

''You don't understand how food gets here'.

You are the swivel-eyed loon that Fat Al, Farage and the ERG has dangling like a puppet on a string. Take your puce-faced childish opinions and shove them where the sun don't shine. And don't engage with my posts on this subject until you can offer a single shred of evidence to back up your 'we got through two world wars, let's put the 'Great' back in Britain, can-do attitude, we can ignore every law on trade because we've gots bigs brains' type horseshit.

Just the one line in the above sums up your distorted logic and interestingly you label it as a fact;

The fact is they are completely cross-party or not affiliated. Most have specialised interests in the subject at hand. They are listed with their present or past positions:



The Members of the EU Energy and Environment Sub-Committee, which conducted this inquiry, are:


Lord Teverson (Chairman)


So Teverson this paragon of independence (Chairman) who just happens to belong to a party who emblazon their members t-shirts with bollocks to brexit is not biased.


Which is a good old fashioned fact.


Robin Teverson was Member of the European Parliament for Cornwall and West Plymouth between 1994 and 1999,


Which is a good old fashioned fact.



So to give it a parallel,

if I were to post a report from a committee chaired by Nigel Farage on the benefits of Brexit you would be posting your invective filled rants till your roots went grey.


You do have some odd thinking.



I

[seivad]

Its probably because I didn't F and blind so much you like that.

How droll! Your constant demeaning of people who either disagree with you, or post credible sources to support their comments, would drive a saint to swear.

The art of debate seems to be beyond your comprehension. You throw out inane one line paragraphs, usually including a childish little term to describe the member you are responding to. Are you incapable of making a rebuttal without belittling someone?

Whilst were on the subject why don't you post the reason why my posts were held for moderation, not enough profanities perhaps ?

I would gladly take ownership of making that decision, but I didn't. Having read the number of your posts that were reported at that time, I can make an educated guess as to why it was made. Not that long before we had already suffered through endless weeks of your *ahem* debates with CC. I guess you missed CC and had to continue in the same vein with other members. Nobody wants to plough their way through threads filled with pointless arguments and insults. It spoils people's enjoyment. A reasoned informative debate is enjoyable, sniping back and forth is not.

[Toodles McGinty]

Just the one line in the above sums up your distorted logic and interestingly you label it as a fact;

The fact is they are completely cross-party or not affiliated. Most have specialised interests in the subject at hand. They are listed with their present or past positions:

Those committee members are a mixture of Tory, Labour, Lib-Dem ('crossbench') or independent. How is that 'distorted logic'? It's a crossbench or unaffiliated committee. That is a fact, unless the entire internet has decided to lie on account of one single House of Lords report. Is Parliament UK lying? Wikipedia? They Work For You? All lying?

Maybe they've all, Labour, Tory, Lib-Dem, unaffiliated, ALL of them have secretly been working towards the possibility of scuppering Brexit for decades. BEFORE WE EVEN JOINED!

*Twilight Zone music*

Lord Teverson (Chairman)

So Teverson this paragon of independence (Chairman) who just happens to belong to a party who emblazon their members t-shirts with bollocks to brexit is not biased.

Which is a good old fashioned fact.


Robin Teverson was Member of the European Parliament for Cornwall and West Plymouth between 1994 and 1999,

Which is a good old fashioned fact.

Is that the best you can do? That's the only fact that you can glean out of the entire 41 pages of reports by:

Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, Agriculture in the United Kingdom data sets, , World Trade Organization, Written evidence from the UK Trade Policy Observatory (BFS0009), Professor Tim Benton, Dean of Strategic Research Initiatives at the University of Leeds and Distinguished Visiting Fellow at Chatham House, The National Pig Association, the National Farmers’ Union (NFU), Food and Drink Federation , European Union Committee, Brexit: the options for trade, European Union Committee, Brexit: agriculture, Written evidence submitted to the EU External Affairs Sub-Committee and the EU Internal Market Sub-Committee, joint inquiry on Brexit: the options for trade (Session 2016–17), Peter Ungphakorn, House of Commons International Trade Committee, , British Retail ConsortiumWritten evidence from the City of London Corporation (BFS0005)
Impact of non-tariff barriers as a result of Brexit (January 2018), p 53: https://assets.kpmg.com/content/dam/...sult-of-brexit.
Written evidence from the UK Trade Policy Observatory (BFS0009)
Written evidence from the Freight Transport Association (BFS0012)
National Audit Office, KPMG for the Dutch Government, Written evidence from the Food and Drink Federation, Treaty on the, Functioning of the European Union, British Poultry Council, the Food Foundation, British Egg Industry Council and Which?


is that one person, the Chairman of one of the SIX sub-committees, is a LIB-DEM??? And because he's a Lib-Dem, he's probably, possibly maybe (though nobody has seen this, at all ever) a 'Bollocks To Brexit' t-shirt wearing saboteur. Do you think he wears it under his clothes to the meetings?

Do you think he rips his shirt open like Superman whenever someone mentions Brexit, showing his t-shirt to all? Because he was 'Member of the European Parliament for Cornwall and West Plymouth between 1994 and 1999' (good old fashioned fact)?

Oh Good Jesus, that is desperate!

41 Pages of statements from experts in the fields of interest where Brexit is concerned, and you've come up with 'someone is a Lib-Dem'?

I get why your posts needed to be moderated. It's because you write such asinine hogshite that there's a risk reader's eyes would be stuck in a permanently rolled position.

That is priceless. Watch you don't slip on those clutched pearls. They must have flown all over the place by now.

[silver fox]

Just the one line in the above sums up your distorted logic and interestingly you label it as a fact;

The fact is they are completely cross-party or not affiliated. Most have specialised interests in the subject at hand. They are listed with their present or past positions:



The Members of the EU Energy and Environment Sub-Committee, which conducted this inquiry, are:


Lord Teverson (Chairman)


So Teverson this paragon of independence (Chairman) who just happens to belong to a party who emblazon their members t-shirts with bollocks to brexit is not biased.


Which is a good old fashioned fact.


Robin Teverson was Member of the European Parliament for Cornwall and West Plymouth between 1994 and 1999,


Which is a good old fashioned fact.



So to give it a parallel,

if I were to post a report from a committee chaired by Nigel Farage on the benefits of Brexit you would be posting your invective filled rants till your roots went grey.


You do have some odd thinking.



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For starters Farage is no friend of this country nor it's population, secondly just about all goods currently coming into the country wherever their origins are a result of trade or compliance deals via the EU, you may not like it but Brexit with no deal ends all of that, not just a question of tariffs, but by far a question of compliance with acceptable standards and until new agreements come into place every damn thing coming in will be accompanied by it's little mountain of paperwork which someone will have to check.

Of course this will not create the slightest delay

Certainly everyone who sells goods into this country will wish to continue but will probably be confronted with additional documentation, we either have to agree terms and standards with every individual importer or we sort trade terms with the country or group of companies on OUR OWN BEHALF, deals already in place will not simply transfer as Liar Liam quickly had to accept.

Don't see why you can't understand that just stepping out of the EU means starting the whole process of trade deals from scratch, with no guarantees of any sort, sure in the fullness of time these problems can be sorted, but many people are rightly concerned with the rather more immediate future amd just how long will it take to sort all of this, please don't mention Trump and the USA, Trump's policy is America first, nothing wrong with that as such, but that gives not the slightest reason for any deal to benefit the UK, without some substantial benefit to the USA.

[Toodles McGinty]

Trump's policy is America first, nothing wrong with that as such, but that gives not the slightest reason for any deal to benefit the UK, without some substantial benefit to the USA.

Going off the news today, we might not have much choice but to go cap-in-hand to Trump, SF.

Seems after Johnson made it clear he doesn't intend to pay the 'divorce bill', Jean-Claude Piris, a former head of the EU council legal service, tweeted: “If the UK refuses to pay its debts to the EU, then the EU will not accept to negotiate a trade agreement with the UK.”

The financial settlement was a “totemic” issue for EU member states, one official said. “The message will be ‘honour your debts, or we are not even going to start talking about a trade deal,’” the source said, reflecting a widespread view among diplomats.

I thought it would be bad enough with less favourable terms with the EU, but no terms at all? That's pretty grim.

[seivad]

Going off the news today, we might not have much choice but to go cap-in-hand to Trump, SF.

Seems after Johnson made it clear he doesn't intend to pay the 'divorce bill', Jean-Claude Piris, a former head of the EU council legal service, tweeted: “If the UK refuses to pay its debts to the EU, then the EU will not accept to negotiate a trade agreement with the UK.”

The financial settlement was a “totemic” issue for EU member states, one official said. “The message will be ‘honour your debts, or we are not even going to start talking about a trade deal,’” the source said, reflecting a widespread view among diplomats.

I thought it would be bad enough with less favourable terms with the EU, but no terms at all? That's pretty grim.

There's no way that trade with the US can fill the gap caused by leaving the EU. You need an EU trade deal. Many of your industries are inextricably linked, most of your food supply comes from EU countries... the list goes on and on. And, of course, they would prefer to have a deal with you for many of the same reasons.

Trump's negotiators, who have already smelled fear, will be rubbing their hands with glee, but it's just not practical. Was the announcement made officially by the EU, or was it just from an an anonymous source?