No Deal Brexiters.

[said]

Yet another arch Brexiteer who certainly doesn't put his money where his mouth is.

I feel many of these arch Brexiteers are hoping for financial instability or even financial chaos when/if we leave, the harder the Brexit the better for these characters, then they will crawl back snapping up UK assets at knock down prices, or alternatively ensure that their businesses, assets and cash are safely stashed in the EU.

They will be back - but not for the reasons that you give. Just wait and see.

[ausard2]

Silver fox.
A deal will be done.
Rest assured a. no deal will give the UK a grazed knee.
The EU will suffer a broken leg.
There is no fantasy , we will leave and as I've said for
a long time EU is coming apart. That doesn't mean bad news.

[seivad]

You know something we don't? Why will the tariffs on our exports be higher? If our export costs are higher to the EU, they would need to be equally high to all other countries. That would be a bit daft.

You, the UK, do not set tariff rates on your exports. The importing country sets tariff rates, and, under WTO terms, the same rates will apply to imports from all countries. "Our export costs" are not costs to the UK. Tariffs are paid by the importer.

The 10% tariff mentioned by Alikado, is the common customs tariff applied by the EU on car imports from non EU countries. Right now, as an EU member, there are no tariffs on imports from the UK. So in the event of a no deal Brexit, products you export to the EU will cost EU buyers more.

The cost of your exports to other countries will depend on the WTO tariff they apply to their imports.

[The PNP]

Why is that? If a British citizen is unhappy living in a country that has terminated its EU membership - it makes sense to join those who enjoy the dubious benefits of being a member. Make sure you wear your yellow jacket.

Or is it your pension you are worried about? Pensions are said to be paid to EU ex-pats just the same - but healthcare costs would probably fall under the country you choose to live in. In France the taxes are once again increasing

That aside - it is weird that a medieval town appeals to you, the EU did not exist in medieval times.

Erm, France (just like the UK) does not hand out passports/citizenship to all-comers.....When the UK leaves the EU, I will no longer have any rights to live, work, or buy property there.

[tom83]

As I said in my post earlier, we will see the break up of the EU in my lifetime.

If the UK leaves this year, we will see at least 3 of the big contributors leave within 5 years, France, Italy and probably Spain. Leaving Germany to support the rest.

The way Im looking at it is, if we leave next month, we will have a head start on the rest of the EU setting up trade deals with the rest of the world, especially countries like Malaysia, South Korea, the U.A.E etc. Countries on the rise globally, and thats before we even look at countries like China, the USA and Australia.

[Hamble]

Which brain drain is that then?

I am referring to those who are continually expounding the benefits of getting out of the EU, but in the meantime make sure that they aren't stuck with any downsides of Brexit.

TV on this morning, not really watching, but just caught some bone brained Tory tearing up a letter and babbling on about his father and the D-Day landings, could some one please tell this imbecile that WW2 ended May the 8th 1945, it is now 2019 and our enemies do not originate in Europe.

The term brain drain was coined in the 1950s following the mass emigration of scientists and other experts to America. Tens of thousands of people also left the country to escape the industrial unrest and high taxes of the 1970s.


and...….


Since Labour came to power in 1997, 1.8m British people have left but only 979,000 have returned, Over the same period, 3.9m foreign nationals have come to Britain while 1.6m have left.

More than 50 per cent of the British emigrants moved to just four countries in 2006 - Australia, New Zealand, France and Spain. Eight in every 100 went to the USA.

The ONS said that overall last year there were 591,000 immigrants to the UK and 400,000 emigrants, both the highest figures ever recorded.

Net immigration - the difference between those leaving and arriving - was 191,000.

The departure of so many Britons is exacerbating the demographic and cultural changes caused by high levels of immigration.

Recent figures showed that despite high levels of emigration and a low birth rate, the population is still growing rapidly because of immigration.

It is growing by the equivalent to a city the size of Bristol every year.

Sir Andrew Green, chairman of Migrationwatch, said: "Two thirds of yet another record level of arrivals come from outside the EU. They could and should be subject to much tighter controls."

He added: ''This gives the lie to claims that nothing effective can be done about immigration because of our membership of the EU."


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...rt-the-UK.html

[silver fox]

The term brain drain was coined in the 1950s following the mass emigration of scientists and other experts to America. Tens of thousands of people also left the country to escape the industrial unrest and high taxes of the 1970s.


and...….


Since Labour came to power in 1997, 1.8m British people have left but only 979,000 have returned, Over the same period, 3.9m foreign nationals have come to Britain while 1.6m have left.

More than 50 per cent of the British emigrants moved to just four countries in 2006 - Australia, New Zealand, France and Spain. Eight in every 100 went to the USA.

The ONS said that overall last year there were 591,000 immigrants to the UK and 400,000 emigrants, both the highest figures ever recorded.

Net immigration - the difference between those leaving and arriving - was 191,000.

The departure of so many Britons is exacerbating the demographic and cultural changes caused by high levels of immigration.

Recent figures showed that despite high levels of emigration and a low birth rate, the population is still growing rapidly because of immigration.

It is growing by the equivalent to a city the size of Bristol every year.

Sir Andrew Green, chairman of Migrationwatch, said: "Two thirds of yet another record level of arrivals come from outside the EU. They could and should be subject to much tighter controls."

He added: ''This gives the lie to claims that nothing effective can be done about immigration because of our membership of the EU."


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...rt-the-UK.html

Of course I remember the term brain drain, here you go dredging up an editorial from 2007, hate to remind you the year is now 2019 and we have had bloody Tories in charge since 2010, your point is????

[said]

Yes, and considering that the WTO has been running a lot longer than the EU, and successfully - I am confident that the issue is not one that should give rise to any concerns.

[silver fox]

They will be back - but not for the reasons that you give. Just wait and see.

Possibly not, but the financial rats will be back when we have a totally low pay, low tax, high interest regime, that is manna from heaven for the ultra wealthy, but spells poverty for the rest.

[silver fox]

Silver fox.
A deal will be done.
Rest assured a. no deal will give the UK a grazed knee.
The EU will suffer a broken leg.
There is no fantasy , we will leave and as I've said for
a long time EU is coming apart. That doesn't mean bad news.

The way things are going it won't make any difference to us whether the EU fails or prospers, we will already be bankrupt.

Notice tonight Honda are shutting the factory in Swindon, moving production back to Japan, they say not due to Brexit, but business uncertainty, which surprise, surprise is created by the farcical situation over Brexit.

[silver fox]

You know something we don't? Why will the tariffs on our exports be higher? If our export costs are higher to the EU, they would need to be equally high to all other countries. That would be a bit daft.

As for the fishing industry, Norway has taken the greatest quota - the Telegraph published a report:
"?

But look into almost any of our industries and you will find something, somewhere that has been handicapped or damaged by the European Union. The best-known example is

our fishing industry

– although, even in this case, I doubt that most people are aware of the

full extent of the damage

. Britain used to enjoy fishing areas that extended up to 200 miles from our coast. Under the terms under which we joined the EU, this distance was reduced to just 12 miles – and even that has depended on a concession that has to be renewed every 10 years. The biggest effect on this once-great industry was in the early years. But even now, the damage continues. British landings of fish were down to 756,000 tonnes in 2014 – a 19 per cent decline since 1998. We have lost access to fishing sales that would otherwise now be worth £2 billion a year. And the EU rules are crass and wasteful into the bargain, with thousands of tonnes of fish being discarded – just thrown away. As if this were not bad enough, we have to donate British taxpayers’ money to other fishing countries – particularly Greece and Poland."

You do realise that tariffs on our exports are down to the country importing from us, we can set nothing on those rates.

There are not many areas where we could ever exclusively fish up to 200 miles from our coast, without bumping up to other countries areas, unless you know how to catch fish on dry land, you also know that British fishermen happily sold their fish quotas to other foreign fishing fleets, yes total fish catch is down due to conservation efforts.

Certainly will agree that the discard policy was wrong, that has now been dropped by the way.

[Hamble]

Of course I remember the term brain drain, here you go dredging up an editorial from 2007, hate to remind you the year is now 2019 and we have had bloody Tories in charge since 2010, your point is????

…...that taxation should be high for the rich but not high and disproportionately unfair or punitive.

[said]

The term brain drain was coined in the 1950s following the mass emigration of scientists and other experts to America. Tens of thousands of people also left the country to escape the industrial unrest and high taxes of the 1970s.


and...….


Since Labour came to power in 1997, 1.8m British people have left but only 979,000 have returned, Over the same period, 3.9m foreign nationals have come to Britain while 1.6m have left.

More than 50 per cent of the British emigrants moved to just four countries in 2006 - Australia, New Zealand, France and Spain. Eight in every 100 went to the USA.

The ONS said that overall last year there were 591,000 immigrants to the UK and 400,000 emigrants, both the highest figures ever recorded.

Net immigration - the difference between those leaving and arriving - was 191,000.

The departure of so many Britons is exacerbating the demographic and cultural changes caused by high levels of immigration.

Recent figures showed that despite high levels of emigration and a low birth rate, the population is still growing rapidly because of immigration.

It is growing by the equivalent to a city the size of Bristol every year.

Sir Andrew Green, chairman of Migrationwatch, said: "Two thirds of yet another record level of arrivals come from outside the EU. They could and should be subject to much tighter controls."

He added: ''This gives the lie to claims that nothing effective can be done about immigration because of our membership of the EU."




https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...rt-the-UK.html

Nothing to do with the EU? The EU held talks with Pakistan with regard to the number of criminals/terrorists etc., who have come to Europe with papers claiming that they are from Pakistan.
"

He said that EU was granting license to 50,000 Pakistanis per annum for their acceptance as legal migrants" Daily Telegraph.

"Under the pact with Ankara, Europe promised an initial €3bn aid for Syrian refugees in

Turkey

, in exchange for being able to send back irregular migrants who had arrived in Greece. The deal was sweetened by the promise of visa-free travel for Turks throughout continental Europe." The Guardian

Further talks with regard to migration and human rights were held on the 19th January this year - with the African countries. EU papers.

The EU has nothing to do with migration. Of course not - thousands of people in huge non - EU countries, all suffered from mass hysteria to travel to Europe en masse!

[silver fox]

…...that taxation should be high for the rich but not high and disproportionately unfair or punitive.

Remember the days of "super tax" the highest rate of tax 83%, with a super charge of 15% on anything classed as unearned income, now that was punitive and disproportionate, we are nowhere near that and a return to those levels would be self defeating just as they were back then.

Now we have the wealthy and multi-nationals using every dodge in the book and in some cases paying less tax pro rata than the average earner.

[The PNP]

Latest round of Brexit-induced job cuts announced today, with Honda to shut its Swindon operation.....But no worries, ignore this obviously false news from 'Project Fear'!