Looking forward to THEresa May bank holiday

[steve]

Hopefully it will be remembered for years to come as coinciding with her departure as surely the worst PM the UK has ever endured.

Biggest vote loss ever in Parliament.
Lost more ministers than hot dinners.

Self interest at its worst

[said]

Hopefully it will be remembered for years to come as coinciding with her departure as surely the worst PM the UK has ever endured.

Biggest vote loss ever in Parliament.
Lost more ministers than hot dinners.

Self interest at its worst

Not so sure on that - surely the 22 committee pulls her strings?

[bambi275]

Hopefully it will be remembered for years to come as coinciding with her departure as surely the worst PM the UK has ever endured.

Biggest vote loss ever in Parliament.
Lost more ministers than hot dinners.

Self interest at its worst

Not convinced she is the worst P.M. ever, Cameron has that title after proffering a referendum then botyling it and going into hiding leaving May to clean up his mess.
No-one else put themselves forward as P.M. as thry all knew it would be a poisoned chalice.

[silver fox]

Not so sure on that - surely the 22 committee pulls her strings?

To a degree, yes, but she is using every possible device to stave off the inevitable, latest dodge, the "reformed" Brexit deal is not going back to the Commons as scheduled, instead a further delay, probably because she knows very well it's dead in the water.

Leave or remain, no-one can possibly deny that this entire Brexit saga is crippling this country by degrees, the divisions have become more and more embittered and fixed, chance of a true negotiated, acceptable deal, vanished at the outset when May tried to make this her personal legacy instead of trying to get everyone onside and going in one direction.

[local]

May is not so much the problem more a victim of her own dysfunctional parties MP's who appointed a vegetarian chef to shoot the rabid Turkey as the country ordered.

Despite their beliefs the chefs also voted to shoot the rabid Turkey.

So she scuttled off with her veggie cooks to Euro veggie Land to find a way of making the rabid Turkey look dead.

The clever MP's spotted it was still living, but it was not alive enough for the vegetarians.

It didn't please anyone so they kept sending it back but she twiddled and fiddled with it and tried again.

Christmas came and went but still the rabid Turkey the country ordered dead wasn't.

Some MP's wanted to frustrate the order by asking the people if they wanted a disabled turkey or keep the turkey alive but no one fell for it.

So the party decided to torture the chef then shoot her.

and the Turkey lives.

[said]

May is not so much the problem more a victim of her own dysfunctional parties MP's who appointed a vegetarian chef to shoot the rabid Turkey as the country ordered.

Despite their beliefs the chefs also voted to shoot the rabid Turkey.

So she scuttled off with her veggie cooks to Euro veggie Land to find a way of making the rabid Turkey look dead.

The clever MP's spotted it was still living, but it was not alive enough for the vegetarians.

It didn't please anyone so they kept sending it back but she twiddled and fiddled with it and tried again.

Christmas came and went but still the rabid Turkey the country ordered dead wasn't.

Some MP's wanted to frustrate the order by asking the people if they wanted a disabled turkey or keep the turkey alive but no one fell for it.

So the party decided to torture the chef then shoot her.

and the Turkey lives.

Sounds about right! I guess we have to be patient and just wait!

[jamyramy]

Hopefully it will be remembered for years to come as coinciding with her departure as surely the worst PM the UK has ever endured.

Biggest vote loss ever in Parliament.
Lost more ministers than hot dinners.

Self interest at its worst

nope the self intrest of our all parties! to me its become apparent we are in the midst of one of the greatest cons foisted and supported by media ,upon the uk peoples.they are all actors in this game of thrones,all are privy and party to its enactments.brexit wont happen their just playing their parts in their game and illusion in their vain attempts to fool the public .then it will be more them ,then us more oppressed and controlled!

[local]

I was trying to example a deal making process to a young relative so I chose the house we live in as an example.

I saw it wandered around agreed a price and shook hands, the "deal was done"
but of course paddling away under the surface the necessity for the more formal work title, searches etc or the civil servants work was still needed.

So when someone says deal making is simple it is ......... but as Theresa has found out when she brought back her "house" deal after many years of negotiation if half your family don't want to move despite saying they did it becomes very difficult.

Boris or who-ever will have the same problem in trying to find a house that suits everyone, it would have to be a unicorn house.

The reality is as in all democracies someone is going to have to be upset.

The bringing the country together argument is a fiction of monumental proportions pedalled by fantasists it always has been.

Remaining would be a betrayal of democracy but leaving would upset many, no politician will find it easy.

[Ceam]

She had an impossible task, and did a crap job of it. NEXT...

[local]

As would anyone trying to appease the losing side in any vote outcome.

Trying to balance everyone "on the half up half down fence" was always a farce.

Democracy has evolved because the alternatives give no progress or finality.

Removing the option to walk away from a bad deal cemented her demise.

The EU as their documentary on the negotiations (storyville BBC) exhibited their glee at Britain becoming a "colony" if the current deal was agreed.

[AdmiralAckbar]

Remaining would be a betrayal of democracy

Is this like one of those things that if you say it often enough then there is a hope that people will believe there is some basis of truth.

If (and it's a big if) we have a 2nd vote and it shows that, at this point in time, the majority have changed their minds, isn't that democracy in action?

In the same vein, if we have a 2nd vote and the majority still vote to leave then isn't that also democracy in action.

It's taken such a long time since the 1st vote, and people (on both sides) may have changed their minds since then.

[Graham]

Hopefully it will be remembered for years to come as coinciding with her departure as surely the worst PM the UK has ever endured.

Biggest vote loss ever in Parliament.
Lost more ministers than hot dinners.

Self interest at its worst

Theresa May's legacy:

- Windrush
- Grenfell
- 14m in poverty
- 130k homeless children
- 1m foodbank parcels
- 1m disability benefit sanctions
- NHS privatisation
- Brexit shambles
- Hostile environment

Good riddance!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPIdRJlzERo

[local]

Is this like one of those things that if you say it often enough then there is a hope that people will believe there is some basis of truth.

If (and it's a big if) we have a 2nd vote and it shows that, at this point in time, the majority have changed their minds, isn't that democracy in action?

In the same vein, if we have a 2nd vote and the majority still vote to leave then isn't that also democracy in action.

It's taken such a long time since the 1st vote, and people (on both sides) may have changed their minds since then.

At which point in say the aftermath of a general election would you like to "change your mind".

A few months, a year ?

At which point in the election of say Sir Jeremy would you think its reasonable for the losing party to say "we have changed our minds we want to rip up your vote for him and have another go" ?

Should we tell Sir Jeremy not to unpack as the opposition might want another go ?

Or lets obstruct Sir Jeremy getting into number 10 then we can say oh its different now we want another go.

If you want to make smart arsed comments you have to at least get the smart bit right.

[Graham]

Remaining would be a betrayal of democracy

Your kidding right? Tell that to the 1000's of citizens who had their votes denied yesterday. And to the millions of people who voted in good faith in the most corrupt / sham of an excuse for democratic decision making ever foisted on an electorate - ever.

You think the EU is bad? The UK government / state is far far worse. The EU is a mere distraction when you look at how the UK's own ministers have asset stripped this country and sold us down the river but all people can do is follow their cue from mass media and blame it all on Europe.

Nation of sheep, ruled by wolves.

[Graham]

Which Theresa May moment is your favorite?

The time May stressed there was no “magic money tree” for the NHS, but then conveniently found one with a billion pounds on it a few weeks later when her job was on the line?

The time when, as Home Secretary, she advocated “deport first, appeal later”, an approach subsequently ruled unlawful by the Supreme Court?

The time her government became the *first in history* to be found in contempt of parliament, for its refusal to release cabinet legal advice on her Brexit deal?

The day May’s Brexit deal - her government’s core project for two and a half years - suffered the *biggest parliamentary defeat in history*?

The time when, as Home Secretary, May instituted the “hostile environment” policy which led to the wrongful detainment and deportation of at least 83 people in the Windrush scandal - or when, a few years later, she let Amber Rudd take the fall for it instead of her.

Or when she attempted to cut free school meals in the 2017 Tory manifesto - despite having opened her premiership with a promise to tackle the “burning injustices” of our society?

How about the repeated times May boasted of “record funding” funding for schools and hospitals, while school funding per pupil dropped and NHS annual funding increases fell to their lowest ever?

The time her government issued a formal complaint to the United Nations in response to their report on poverty in the UK, rather than finding ways to fix it?

Or the repeated occasions May refused to halt weapons sales and logistical support for the Saudi regime, despite the estimated 18,000 civilian deaths in Yemen?