Homophobic School Protests

[Hamble]

This is now past the point of free speech and protest.

Any ideas how to resolve the situation which implements teaching children age appropriate LGTB inclusiveness?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ngham-48545247

[thediscovolante]

This is now past the point of free speech and protest.

Any ideas how to resolve the situation which implements teaching children age appropriate LGTB inclusiveness?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ngham-48545247

its such a grey area....no one knows who is right and who is wrong..i can sympathise with the lgbt movement...but i also dont want my children to be exposed to these issues until they have minds of their own and not browbeaten into thinking in a certain way..children should just enjoy their childhood as we did without being pushed into various boxes...my view is that all children are confused about everything...but no one ever should push them in any direction...i would wait until they are 18 plus,,even then when i was 18 i was clueless...even in middle age i still learn something every single day!

[dans77b]

...but i also dont want my children to be exposed to these issues until they have minds of their own and not browbeaten into thinking in a certain way..

By that logic we shouldn't teach kids Maths, History or English either.

[bambi275]

Simple answer, if you don't like what is being taught in a mainstream comprehensive school then send your kids to a faith school that don't have such bokks that state such shocking things as 'Mary and Anne take their children to school' or 'Robert and Fred take their children to the park' which is about the level these books and lessons are at.

[Hamble]

its such a grey area....no one knows who is right and who is wrong..i can sympathise with the lgbt movement...but i also dont want my children to be exposed to these issues until they have minds of their own and not browbeaten into thinking in a certain way..children should just enjoy their childhood as we did without being pushed into various boxes...my view is that all children are confused about everything...but no one ever should push them in any direction...i would wait until they are 18 plus,,even then when i was 18 i was clueless...even in middle age i still learn something every single day!

I am thinking that if the age appropriate teaching centres on tolerance it does not have to involve discussing 'faith belief'.

Tolerance acknowledges same sex love and partnership.

[Mr B S Sniffer]

By that logic we shouldn't teach kids Maths, History or English either.

By the state of some of the kids, we don't.

[thediscovolante]

By that logic we shouldn't teach kids Maths, History or English either.

i dont really see how maths and english can be conflated into lgbt issues.....maths are maths..engish is english...but lbgt....its well a bit out there for normal people...i do apologise for being raised in a normal family but dont force alternative views on my children..as i we may not like it!!..and push back

[Mr B S Sniffer]

i dont really see how maths and english can be conflated into lgbt issues.....maths are maths..engish is english...but lbgt....its well a bit out there for normal people...i do apologise for being raised in a normal family but dont force alternative views on my children..as i we may not like it!!..and push back

1 gay person + 1 gay person =

(Am I allowed to use the word person without the P.C brigade frothing at the mouth?)

[thediscovolante]

I am thinking that if the age appropriate teaching centres on tolerance it does not have to involve discussing 'faith belief'.

Tolerance acknowledges same sex love and partnership.

tolerance is very ok...but promoting and pushing young minds into confusion and torment is just wrong....i do apologise that i was brought up in a christian and decent family and school....i have my values...others have other values, thats ok ,,and i respect those views...just keep those other values away from my family

[Toodles McGinty]

If you don't want your kids learning the National Curriculum, as bambi says, take them elsewhere.

I doubt you'll raise tolerant kids, so it's best they are away from the mainstream. The extent of the teaching, as far as I can see, is simply acceptance and love. As in some kids in the class have a Mummy and Daddy that love them. Some kids in the class have brothers, sisters and cousins that love them. Some kids in the class have two Mummies or two Daddies that love them. That's the extent of 'LGBT lessons'. Uncle Jim married Jane, Uncle Tom married Dave. End of story.

I understand the change in the curriculum also teaches the basics of mental health and safety online. Again, without describing suicide or depression. Just enough for little kids to learn it is OK if they might be feeling sad sometimes. And acceptance of other cultures / religions, as some kids might have a different background.

It's important to raise happy, well rounded kids who understand each person is different. Otherwise they grow up into with intolerant bigots who scream and wave placards outside a school.

[dans77b]

tolerance is very ok...but promoting and pushing young minds into confusion and torment is just wrong....i do apologise that i was brought up in a christian and decent family and school....i have my values...others have other values, thats ok ,,and i respect those views...just keep those other values away from my family

Im not sure who would be 'tormented' by learning that gay people exist - remember kids can be more accepting and do not think like you and me.
By not teaching that homosexuality exists, there will certainly be kids tormented thinking that there is something wrong with them.

As others have said, these lessons are age appropriate and dont go anywhere near the 'mechanics', so there is really nothing to worry about!

[local]

Simple answer, if you don't like what is being taught in a mainstream comprehensive school then send your kids to a faith school that don't have such bokks that state such shocking things as 'Mary and Anne take their children to school' or 'Robert and Fred take their children to the park' which is about the level these books and lessons are at.

Dreadful idea I would much prefer the faith schools were closed.
To allow a school to indoctrinate children is stealing their freedom of choice .

Robert and Fred is something parents should be addressing and teaching children that life isn't black and white.

[Hamble]

tolerance is very ok...but promoting and pushing young minds into confusion and torment is just wrong....i do apologise that i was brought up in a christian and decent family and school....i have my values...others have other values, thats ok ,,and i respect those views...just keep those other values away from my family

LGBT people come from decent family's too.

Is the sex education part that bothers you?
Unless the children know the facts of life the connection is not made from teaching age appropriate tolerance.

[Toodles McGinty]

tolerance is very ok....i do apologise that i was brought up in a christian and decent family and school.

Tolerance is OK. Acceptance is better. People tolerate things they obviously dislike.

And as a 'christian', weren't you taught love and acceptance?

Of course, you're entitled to your beliefs, but put it this way, would Jesus be outside that school screaming and waving hate banners, or would He be at the front of a Pride parade, preaching love and acceptance?

[said]

This is now past the point of free speech and protest.

Any ideas how to resolve the situation which implements teaching children age appropriate LGTB inclusiveness?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ngham-48545247

There is a far more important lesson to give the children - and that is British tolerance. The council and the Mayor are totally wrong to have made an issue out of this matter. The Mayor is screaming 'homophobic' while at the same time he is promoting 'heterophobia' against people with opposite views. Everyone is entitled to their opinion in a democratic country - and as a Mayor he should act as an Ambassador of the UK.
Children in general under the age of nine are enjoying an innocent life of a child - that should be sacrosanct! There are some children unfortunately who find themselves forced into an adult world through abuse. These children should be encouraged to be open about their abuse and not feel guilt by doing so. The majority do enjoy their childhood. Once the child has reached ten years old - they begin to mature and are struggling with their own identity of changing from child to adult - so between the ages of ten to fourteen, these children are very vulnerable and open to all suggestions that they feel may explain the sensations that they are experiencing. It is only at the age of fourteen that children should be confronted with the responsibly of sexual attitudes. But, if this is to be taught, then it should be taught in detail, and explanations should be given open and clear. That is the only way that children can accept it. Half hearted sexual lectures to children will result in a mockery to all forms of sex. Heterosexual lessons should include the biological form of males and females, the sexual organs and details of reproduction for species to continue existing. There should also be details given of the biological form of males, the sex organs and how alternative sexual activity takes place and the reasons for seeking this alternative activity. The children should also be informed that it is not 'homosexual' if for a brief period some children may have a crush on an adult or a colleague, sometimes of the same sex, sometimes opposite sex - this is a natural occurrence. It is only temporary and it does not lead to homosexuality. Children should be told of various associations and the affect that they have on society, some people may tolerate certain behaviour while others may not. Children should be told ALL the facts - not just the facts that appear to be sufficient. Then of course, it will require a teacher who has independent views on the issues. The person teaching cannot be homosexual themselves because this would introduce a bias. For children to become happy confident adults they need to be completely confident in themselves, which can only be brought about from the detailed information by which children can identify with. For once children have made the choice of who they are - it is extremely difficult for them to be accepted in any other way among their peers. So many have made an error of judgement - that is why the suicide rate among young homosexuals is so high.

Any sex lessons should not be given to under fourteen year olds - and if parents object to their child attending such lessons they should be free to withdraw the child from that class.