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WHO region	Crude rateu	Age-standardized rateu	Crude male rateu	Crude female rateu	Male–female ratiou
Southeast Asia	13.2	13.40	14.8	11.6	1.28
Africa	7.4	11.96	9.9	4.8	2.06
Europe[note 3]	15.4	12.85	24.7	6.6	3.74
Western Pacific	10.2	8.45	10.9	9.4	1.16
Americas	9.8	9.25	15.1	4.6	3.28
Eastern Mediterranean	3.9	4.30	5.1	2.7	1.89
Global	10.6	10.53	13.5	7.7	1.75

Would be nice to have a title/legend with this? Could be %age prawn cocktail flavour crisps eaters!

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Would be nice to have a title/legend with this? Could be %age prawn cocktail flavour crisps eaters!

Sorry - it was on the table when I copied it:

Suicide rates by WHO region in 2016 (per 100 000 people per year)^[12][14]

[Desert Region]

Sorry - it was on the table when I copied it:

Suicide rates by WHO region in 2016 (per 100 000 people per year)^[12][14]

And the point of, or takeaway from, that table is...?

[seivad]

Sorry - it was on the table when I copied it:

Suicide rates by WHO region in 2016 (per 100 000 people per year)^[12][14]

You provided this table to support your statement below? It doesn't.

The LGBT group have now achieved equality in society, so there should be no reason for them to feel anything less than heterosexual people - so why is the suicide rate far greater among this group now than it ever was in the past? This is particularly so in Western countries where LGBT is far more accepted than in countries where it is less accepted.

[local]

There does seem to be a link between LBGT people, suicide and self harm, I know someone who has the issues but why make things worse ?

We all might think we should drop into convenient boxes but life is not like a box of chocolates to paraphrase.

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You provided this table to support your statement below? It doesn't.

Why Are Suicide Rates Higher Among LGBTQ Youth? | Psychology ...

<cite class="iUh30" style="color: rgb(13, 101, 45); font-style: normal; font-size: 14px; padding-top: 1px; line-height: 1.43;">https://www.psychologytoday.com/.../why-are-suicide-rates-higher-among-lgbtq-yout..</cite>


Facts About Suicide – The Trevor Project

<cite class="iUh30" style="color: rgb(13, 101, 45); font-style: normal; font-size: 14px; padding-top: 1px; line-height: 1.43;">https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/preventing-suicide/facts-about-suicide/</cite>





Suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death among young people ages 10 to 24.¹; LGB youth seriously contemplate suicide at almost three times the rate of ... [5]; Each episode of LGBT victimization, such as physical or verbal harassment or ...

Suicide among LGBT youth - Wikipedia

<cite class="iUh30" style="color: rgb(13, 101, 45); font-style: normal; font-size: 14px; padding-top: 1px; line-height: 1.43;">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth</cite>





Research has found that attempted suicide rates and suicidal ideation among lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) youth is significantly higher than among the general population. LGBTadolescents have the highest rate of suicide attempts,

LGBT Youth | Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Health | CDC

<cite class="iUh30" style="color: rgb(13, 101, 45); font-style: normal; font-size: 14px; padding-top: 1px; line-height: 1.43;">https://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/youth.htm</cite>





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21 Jun 2017 - LGB youth are at greater risk for depression, suicide, substance use, and ... in schools with LGB support groups (such as gay-straight alliances),

One in four pre-teen suicides may be LGBTQ youth - NBC News

<cite class="iUh30" style="color: rgb(13, 101, 45); font-style: normal; font-size: 14px; padding-top: 1px; line-height: 1.43;">https://www.nbcnews.com/.../one-four-pre-teen-suicides-may-be-lgbtq-youth-n97448...</cite>





22 Feb 2019 - Higher suicide rates among LGBTQ youth have been documented before, ... old who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender are much more ... While 24 percent of the suicide deaths in the 12 to 14 age group were ...

[seivad]

Why Are Suicide Rates Higher Among LGBTQ Youth? | Psychology ...


<cite class="iUh30" style="color: rgb(13, 101, 45); font-style: normal; font-size: 14px; padding-top: 1px; line-height: 1.43;">https://www.psychologytoday.com/.../why-are-suicide-rates-higher-among-lgbtq-yout..</cite>


Facts About Suicide – The Trevor Project


<cite class="iUh30" style="color: rgb(13, 101, 45); font-style: normal; font-size: 14px; padding-top: 1px; line-height: 1.43;">https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/preventing-suicide/facts-about-suicide/</cite>



Suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death among young people ages 10 to 24.¹; LGB youth seriously contemplate suicide at almost three times the rate of ... [5]; Each episode of LGBT victimization, such as physical or verbal harassment or ...

Suicide among LGBT youth - Wikipedia


<cite class="iUh30" style="color: rgb(13, 101, 45); font-style: normal; font-size: 14px; padding-top: 1px; line-height: 1.43;">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth</cite>



Research has found that attempted suicide rates and suicidal ideation among lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) youth is significantly higher than among the general population. LGBTadolescents have the highest rate of suicide attempts,

LGBT Youth | Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Health | CDC


<cite class="iUh30" style="color: rgb(13, 101, 45); font-style: normal; font-size: 14px; padding-top: 1px; line-height: 1.43;">https://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/youth.htm</cite>



by WSC Do - ?Related articles
21 Jun 2017 - LGB youth are at greater risk for depression, suicide, substance use, and ... in schools with LGB support groups (such as gay-straight alliances),

One in four pre-teen suicides may be LGBTQ youth - NBC News


<cite class="iUh30" style="color: rgb(13, 101, 45); font-style: normal; font-size: 14px; padding-top: 1px; line-height: 1.43;">https://www.nbcnews.com/.../one-four-pre-teen-suicides-may-be-lgbtq-youth-n97448...</cite>



22 Feb 2019 - Higher suicide rates among LGBTQ youth have been documented before, ... old who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender are much more ... While 24 percent of the suicide deaths in the 12 to 14 age group were ...

I don't dispute that suicide rates are higher among LGBTQ youth. It doesn't surprise me at all. If you had read the links you've provided, you can see the reasons why this happens. Equality may be written in law, but you can't legislate acceptance in the minds of those who condemn them... unfortunately.

As for: "there should be no reason for them to feel anything less than heterosexual people" How many times have you been bullied, threatened, beaten up etc., because of your sexual orientation? Walk a day in someone else's shoes before you spout your garbage. Obviously you didn't bother to read your links

However, not one of your links states that suicide is higher in Western countries.... over to you King Googler.

[Toodles McGinty]

Why Are Suicide Rates Higher Among LGBTQ Youth? | Psychology ...


<cite class="iUh30" style="color: rgb(13, 101, 45); font-style: normal; font-size: 14px; padding-top: 1px; line-height: 1.43;">...https://www.psychologytoday.com/.../why-are-suicide-rates-higher-among-lgbtq-yout..</cite>
22 Feb 2019 - Higher suicide rates among LGBTQ youth have been documented before, ... old who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender are much more ... While 24 percent of the suicide deaths in the 12 to 14 age group were ...

Exactly the reason that inclusion, acceptance and respect should be taught from an early age. Humans are frightened of anything they see as 'other' or 'different'. So teach kids from an early age that there is no difference. That Jewish kids are just kids. That Chinese kids are just kids. That LGBT kids are just kids. Or kids with LGBT parents or family members are just kids.

And of paramount importance is to teach children from a young age that bullying is completely unacceptable. The connection between bullying and child / teen suicide is undeniable. Regardless of the gender / race / religion / orientation of a kid. Bullying should be as unacceptable in our society as racism is.

We aren't going to become a give everybody a hug, Kumbya society. But we have developed enough as a society that certain behaviour is taboo. We've moved on from the era of 'No blacks, no Irish, no dogs'. Well, most of us have. In general, most people's reaction to the attack of those two women on a bus was horror. Sadly the trolls crawled out on social media, victim blaming. But thankfully they were very much in the minority. It's not a Rosa Parks moment, but it's certainly shown that the majority of us have evolved. The school protests are a throwback to the dark ages. As is that homophobic attack. That kind of hatred should not be an example to future generations. Unless it's to show how abhorrent such behaviour is.

That particular attack also raises questions about misogyny and how accessibility to porn distorts young men's attitude towards women, but that's another subject for another day.

[Hamble]

Interesting results.
They are all crude documented though.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/cou...te-by-country/

UK

Prevalence
Prevalence rates of suicide attempts ranged from:
6% to 70% in LGB youth
1.5% to 3.5% in heterosexual youth
There was an increased risk of suicide attempts in gay and bisexual men compared to heterosexual men (OR=2.21, 95% CI 1.21 to 4.04)
Lesbian or bisexual women were also at higher risk but this was not statistically significant, possibly due to the smaller numbers (OR=1.97, 95% CI 0.90 to 4.30)

https://www.nationalelfservice.net/m...dal-behaviour/

[said]

Interesting results.
They are all crude documented though.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/cou...te-by-country/

UK

Prevalence
Prevalence rates of suicide attempts ranged from:
6% to 70% in LGB youth
1.5% to 3.5% in heterosexual youth
There was an increased risk of suicide attempts in gay and bisexual men compared to heterosexual men (OR=2.21, 95% CI 1.21 to 4.04)
Lesbian or bisexual women were also at higher risk but this was not statistically significant, possibly due to the smaller numbers (OR=1.97, 95% CI 0.90 to 4.30)

https://www.nationalelfservice.net/m...dal-behaviour/

To be fair - I can only refer to the local cases that I have been made aware of. Those have shown to have unstable characters before they became associated with the LGBT groups. There are no reports on these people so no links that can be obtained - it is just by having a knowledge of them through their school years and how they are now.

The use of illegal drugs has an effect on hormones, which is also widely published - and possibly is the cause of a rising number of transvestites, this could infer that these people were previously unstable due to their reliance on drugs.

It is impossible to prove that LGBT people who attempt suicide, are unstable because of who they are or whether they were unstable to begin with and were struggling to discover their identity, then became disillusioned. That is another reason as to why promoting LGBT is wrong. Those who are LGBT people will be that way as a matter of course, but the unstable people are vulnerable and open to suggestion.

[Hamble]

To be fair - I can only refer to the local cases that I have been made aware of. Those have shown to have unstable characters before they became associated with the LGBT groups. There are no reports on these people so no links that can be obtained - it is just by having a knowledge of them through their school years and how they are now.

The use of illegal drugs has an effect on hormones, which is also widely published - and possibly is the cause of a rising number of transvestites, this could infer that these people were previously unstable due to their reliance on drugs.

It is impossible to prove that LGBT people who attempt suicide, are unstable because of who they are or whether they were unstable to begin with and were struggling to discover their identity, then became disillusioned. That is another reason as to why promoting LGBT is wrong. Those who are LGBT people will be that way as a matter of course, but the unstable people are vulnerable and open to suggestion.

I think your posts have upped the risk!

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I think your posts have upped the risk!

Unlikely! I would think it very rare that a young person would bother with the site - they are more likely to use facebook, twitter, etc., As I said, they are trying to find something they can identify with.

[Toodles McGinty]

To be fair - I can only refer to the local cases that I have been made aware of. Those have shown to have unstable characters before they became associated with the LGBT groups.

They might have been unstable as they had no idea how to navigate a society that sees them as different or wrong in some way. In my experience of LGB kids, they know they are 'different' at a very young age. It doesn't just pop into their heads when the hormones kick in. Hence the reason to teach kids to be inclusive and accepting.

The use of illegal drugs has an effect on hormones, which is also widely published - and possibly is the cause of a rising number of transvestites, this could infer that these people were previously unstable due to their reliance on drugs.

There isn't a rising number of transvestites. There is simply more openness about it. They are no longer hiding in closets, trying on their wife's clothes when she's out. In exactly the same way that there are not more LGBT people, but only half of young people identify as 100% heterosexual. According to Yougov. Older people are more closed minded, less likely to accept that sexuality is fluid, not rigid. It is, thankfully, a sign that younger people are turning away from suffocating Victorian values and being open about themselves and accepting of others. Drugs may have an effect on hormones, but I doubt they urge young boys into exploring their feminine side.

And if they do, so what? You want to impose a 20th century fashion on 21st century youngsters? What if 20th century fashion didn't turn as it did and the world's men were still wearing hosiery? Or skirts? Which they did since humans began right up to the 19th century. Why are you so hung up on people's clothing, anyway?

It is impossible to prove that LGBT people who attempt suicide, are unstable because of who they are or whether they were unstable to begin with and were struggling to discover their identity, then became disillusioned.

Quite so. But given the amount of LGBT people who don't attempt suicide, and the amount of young people, especially young men who do, I'd say it's far more complex than simply being LGBT. Better still, take homophobia out of society, promote inclusivity, and see where the numbers go.

That is another reason as to why promoting LGBT is wrong. Those who are LGBT people will be that way as a matter of course, but the unstable people are vulnerable and open to suggestion.

YOU CANNOT PROMOTE LGBT you f*(king idiot.

They don't offer loyalty cards or BOGOF offers. You cannot force a sexuality on someone. You are who you are born to be. You can make them feel really shitty about themselves. You can persecute them to the point where they enter forced sexual relationships and marriage that ultimately hurts themselves and their families. But there are no conversion therapies. Because you can't 'turn' someone straight any more than you can 'turn' someone gay. I've no doubt that some young people, and a whole lot of older people, experiment with their sexuality. That's part of growing up. Some people do, some don't. Screaming 'faggot' or 'evil' at someone isn't going to change that. It's happened since humans rose from the primordial swamp. You can't change it with religious bigotry, or closeted self-loathing. Or having a mind too narrow to barely function. Or by being terrified of anybody that doesn't fit into your tiny perfect world.

Young people, in the main, are embracing who they are. I'm sure they'll be a lot happier than those trapped in their tiny little pigeon holes for life.

[gazaprop]

The Old Testament purports to be the word of God - says who?

The New Testament - written by men, supposedly 50 - 300 years after the death of a guy who said he was the son of God.

The Quran - written down over 23 years by a guy who said an angel told him what to write.

The Tora and Talmud - (see Old Testament)

I know the above is a simplistic representation of how those books came about but you get the picture.

The point is - religious zealots refer to these tomes as authorities which support their intolerance and bigotry. Need I say more in illustrating how flawed their basis for hate is?

As an aside there is a well known anecdote from the Falklands which illustrates perfectly how unreliable things which are spoken and then passed on can be.

Troops are advancing in a line across the island when a radio op at the rear of the column receives the message 'air raid warning red'. This is passed along the column with troops busily trying to mingle with the ground.
To the surprise of those at the rear - the troops at the head of the column are cheering and throwing their berets up in the air - this soon stopped when the Skyhawks came screaming in low over the hills with their bombs.

It later transpired that by the time the message had reached the head of the column it had been corrupted into 'Galtieri's dead' (Galtieri being the Argentine leader) and this was what had caused the merriment.

This muddling up of the message happened over a matter of minutes - tell me again - how long ago were these books written?

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You will really need to consider situations more deeply. The suicides are much greater in Western societies - as you yourself spend a considerable time on the computer, you would be able to satisfy that response. Just think about it! Western society has been instructed by law to be more tolerant of these minority groups. The majority of the public really are not bothered about who is what. These days people are far more concerned about their own well being than someone elses's. Psychologically, by their very attitude, these people appear to be more insecure than most people. They are very defensive as soon as anything is mentioned pertaining to the topic - that means they are less than confident in who they are. Do you agree?
It is you who must put yourself in these people's shoes. Imagine if you were associated with a woman in preference to a man. If you were fully confident of your association, you would neither care nor notice if anyone paid any attention to you. In fact, you would be paid no attention at all. It would be the same if you were a white woman married to a black man - no-one is bothered - you will not receive any attention these days as you may have been in the past. But insecure people need attention, they need to know people realise they exist, and now that is not happening unless they can create some diversion to get attention. That is the reason why there are so many of these people in theatre, show business even Westminster etc., they get noticed!
I know of a guy who is a midget, he is a really lovely man with a great sense of humour and he is treated just the same as everyone else in the community. But he is still insecure - it is not obvious from just looking at him but from things he says. He is different in his own mind. He knows it in his own mind, he thinks about it to himself - even if people really are genuinely not bothered.
You are only thinking on the basis that which you have been told - you need to really look far deeper, to question the information you have been given.
Insecurity takes on many forms - it is easy to recognise those who are, just by reading the responses on this forum for instance - that is, if you know what you are looking at.
I am criticised often, it does not bother me personally - I just find it so frustrating that many do not question the information they are given.