Gimmee Party

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When you realise you are constantly overspending on your money - you know you have to make cut backs to be able to live within your means. Right?

Our caring leaders are very concerned about the health of the general public. We are told we are in the middle of a very dangerous, sometimes lethal pandemic - so everyone is being asked to take safety measures to protect yourself and others. But - while some people have contracted this pandemic, which has been downgraded to an epidemic - far more people are suffering in great pain and many are dying from illnesses for which they cannot get health treatment for. The hospitals are, we are told, at full capacity because of those seeking treatment for this epidemic.

There is huge money promised to every region to help during this epidemic. Mr. Rotherham, Mr. Anderson and Mr. Burnham, while being anxious to appease the central government by obeying all their instructions to obtain funding for the North West - have never once mentioned that support should be given to those people who are really suffering from illnesses such as cancer, heart disease, Altzheimers, etc., - this could be done by subsidising Private Health Care to allow for these people, too, to get treatment.

If Coronavirus patients are drawing concern -why should not ALL patients be given consideration? Or is it that the epidemic is being used as a means to money while other health issues are not? Do the Labour trio believe that these £millions will mean that they do not have to make cutbacks so that they can maintain the loyalty of their voters? Because they do not appear to be concerned about the sick.

[Little Londoner]

Perhaps it has not yet registered with whichever one of you is posting how the Political history of this Country works. The Tory lie machine makes a Political Farce after getting one of it's contributing advertising agencies to come up with some rubbish to stain the Labour Party. Then after conning the public they cut cut cut and over two or three terms drive the Country into the ground and put millions on benefits which are minimal.
Then the people vote in Labour who cut dole queues abolish hospital waiting lists, yes they spend but the Party of frugality have outdone them handsomely this time with the pandemic I mean what's a pandemic compared to a WORLD Banking meltdown, and on and on it goes.

Perhaps you'd be better trying to fathom out why our current leaders are doing what they have been telling us they won't do ie lowering food standards to appease the Idiot POTUS selling off the NHS (there is another thread on trying to see a GP) to appease the Idiot POTUS.

But not for long, there is a strong feeling that Bumbling Boris will go in April (must be the most advantageous time financially) because the job doesn't pay enough to keep him and his multiple ex wives kids and mistresses in the manner they have become accustomed.

[Lamparilla]

To comment on the OP - what happened to the Nightingale Hospitals? If they were used for Covid-19 patients, surely people with other conditions could go to normal hospitals.

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To comment on the OP - what happened to the Nightingale Hospitals? If they were used for Covid-19 patients, surely people with other conditions could go to normal hospitals.

That is a good point -but those hospitals were dismantled, they were not required.

[silver fox]

That is a good point -but those hospitals were dismantled, they were not required.

Those hospitals were used, but not fully, in the main were mothballed rather than dismantled, the main difficulty is staffing these hospitals the one in Manchester is being brought back into service, how far this has gone I don’t know.

[seivad]

When you realise you are constantly overspending on your money - you know you have to make cut backs to be able to live within your means. Right?

Our caring leaders are very concerned about the health of the general public. We are told we are in the middle of a very dangerous, sometimes lethal pandemic - so everyone is being asked to take safety measures to protect yourself and others. But - while some people have contracted this pandemic, which has been downgraded to an epidemic - far more people are suffering in great pain and many are dying from illnesses for which they cannot get health treatment for. The hospitals are, we are told, at full capacity because of those seeking treatment for this epidemic.

Not this again. You've already been told that Covid hasn't been downgraded to an epidemic, along with definitions of an epidemic vs a pandemic. If you still believe it's an epidemic, you had better let sites such as Worldometers and Statista know. They are still reporting global cases/deaths from Covid.

There is huge money promised to every region to help during this epidemic. Mr. Rotherham, Mr. Anderson and Mr. Burnham, while being anxious to appease the central government by obeying all their instructions to obtain funding for the North West - have never once mentioned that support should be given to those people who are really suffering from illnesses such as cancer, heart disease, Altzheimers, etc., - this could be done by subsidising Private Health Care to allow for these people, too, to get treatment.

Private health care facilities are not only limited to specific treatments, they wouldn't be able to cope with the sheer volume of patients who would normally use the NHS for things such as diagnostic imaging and chemo/radiation therapy.

For a large number of patients diagnosed with cancer or cardiac disease, surgery will be required. Private hospitals don't have the facilities to perform complex surgical oncology or cardiac surgery. Surgeons use NHS facilities for complex surgery. They need a knowledgeable experienced NHS team behind them, and all of the facilities that are readily available in a NHS hospital should complications arise. If NHS hospitals have put some surgeries on hold, they are also on hold for private healthcare practitioners who use NHS facilities.

If Coronavirus patients are drawing concern -why should not ALL patients be given consideration? Or is it that the epidemic is being used as a means to money while other health issues are not? Do the Labour trio believe that these £millions will mean that they do not have to make cutbacks so that they can maintain the loyalty of their voters? Because they do not appear to be concerned about the sick.

The central government funding package (£60 million or whatever it is) is not being made to fund council services. It's financial support for businesses who will lose considerable income due to Tier 3 restrictions. It's vital for the British economy that the businesses that have managed to keep afloat until now, can keep their heads above water through the 2nd wave.

I assume that you do know what happens to an economy when a large number of producers stop producing. And when a large number of the population lose their jobs, resulting in zero or very little disposable income to spend.

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Perhaps it has not yet registered with whichever one of you is posting how the Political history of this Country works. The Tory lie machine makes a Political Farce after getting one of it's contributing advertising agencies to come up with some rubbish to stain the Labour Party. Then after conning the public they cut cut cut and over two or three terms drive the Country into the ground and put millions on benefits which are minimal.
Then the people vote in Labour who cut dole queues abolish hospital waiting lists, yes they spend but the Party of frugality have outdone them handsomely this time with the pandemic I mean what's a pandemic compared to a WORLD Banking meltdown, and on and on it goes.

Perhaps you'd be better trying to fathom out why our current leaders are doing what they have been telling us they won't do ie lowering food standards to appease the Idiot POTUS selling off the NHS (there is another thread on trying to see a GP) to appease the Idiot POTUS.

But not for long, there is a strong feeling that Bumbling Boris will go in April (must be the most advantageous time financially) because the job doesn't pay enough to keep him and his multiple ex wives kids and mistresses in the manner they have become accustomed.

It is not the UK government who are pulling the strings in this case. There was absolutely no need to close businesses down and furlough staff. Those staff may not have realised it yet - but they are now unemployed. Thousands of businesses will close completely. The businesses which are most successful at present are cross European businesses - joint ventures between European countries.

It was the Labour Party under Blair who first privatised sections of the NHS. Several NHS buildings were not being maintained under this Labour Government, so Labour advised the NHS to take out loans under the low percentage repayments at that time to spend on the buildings. The repayment interest rose considerably over the years which almost bankrupted the NHS. Johnson has awarded massive payments to the NHS to offset those loans. It was also under Labour that a private non medically trained agency was brought in to examine the legitimacy of disability benefits - thousands of genuine disabled people had their benefits stopped and the suicide rate increased dramatically. Even under local Labour - the situation has not changed. They have borrowed £millions from the EU central bank for Merseyrail and building developments (Found on the EU's own site) - wait until those interest rates begin to rise - and they will. What about Anderson visiting China, encouraging hundreds of Chinese people to invest in Liverpool which they did in good faith - this is now going through the courts as the Chinese lost all their money and had nothing to show for it. The fines imposed will have to come from somewhere. Labour refuse to make cut backs, even when it makes common sense to do so because it would be unpopular among their followers, and would lose them votes. The Labour Party also relies heavily on the Unions - even though those Unions now represent mainly white collar workers, not the ordinary working classes. Labour has become more Tory than the Conservatives hqve ever been.


Lowering food standards?? I have already quoted on another thread about the British contaminated Chickens, Lysteria in eggs, Horsemeat sold in burgers in Supermarkets, contaminated cooked meats, etc., etc.,