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    General Election. Vote Conservative?

    So here we go. An election coming up and suddenly the Conservatives have found money to fund public services and farmers and bribe the voters into voting for them. The reality is that the money for schools will in the main, be swallowed up by long overdue pay rises for teachers – there won’t be much left over for infrastructure and equipment. The ‘massive’ money boost for our NHS something like £7 billion some of which is actually money freed up that was already held in the system but ‘frozen’ by Cameron’s Government. And this money doesn’t come all at once, it is spread over three years so the NHS only really benefits at the point year three, by which time with inflation and the increasing number of patients to treat, that £7 billion still won’t be enough money. Farmers are now promised millions of pounds in funding; Scottish farmers in particular £54 million. All this Conservative ‘generosity’ sounds fantastic, but what we are not told is that despite ten years of austerity for ordinary people the money to fund this largess isn’t there, we’d have to borrow it, increasing, yes increasing national debt! And once the Conservatives have bribed their way back into government the inevitable tax increases follow for every one of us to pay this debt back, a new austerity! This is nothing new, we’ve been conned by this Conservative “strategy” by previous Conservative administrations, we can’t fall for it again.
    There is an argument that this extra funding can soon be afforded by the money we no longer pay into the EU following Brexit (if it happens). This is a fallacy. The money that we pay into the EU (along with every other EU member state), we have a unique deal with the EU which means the UK gets most of it back anyway in tax rebates (thank you Mrs Thatcher) and grants, so there is no extra money from not paying into the EU post Brexit, that’s a con!
    The Conservatives are the party of good monetary governance? I think not, it’s about clinging on to power and looking after their own. Don’t be conned again at election time.
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    The headroom was already there and mentioned by Hammond who doesn't want Boris or Brexit so that theory is up the swanee.

    The Conservatives generally not being good with budgeting I agree.


    The problem is the alternatives are a very big gamble.



    It is for many another "none of the above" voting moment.

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    Over the past few months I have to say that I've become disillusioned with British politics . Politicians have convinced me that there not there to represent their constituents but rather look after their own jobs and party . Making me believe that my vote is not worth the paper I put the cross on .
    DISALLUSIONED TORY VOTER .
    REST IN PEACE THE 96.
    Y.N.W.A.

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    NO!!! We pay more into the EU than we get back.

    Vote Conservative in Southport as Damien Moore respects the 2016 referendum result. We don't need a Brexit party candidate here as that will split the vote.

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    Of course we pay in more than we get back who on earth thinks the French or Germans are going to subsidise us.

    Southport is a straight fight between the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats.

    Splitting the vote is always an issue.

    The Brexit party will in some seats stop the Conservatives winning but not many Nigels thunder has been stolen by Boris.

    The cheeky chappy can go back to the pub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by libraryguy View Post
    NO!!! We pay more into the EU than we get back.

    Vote Conservative in Southport as Damien Moore respects the 2016 referendum result. We don't need a Brexit party candidate here as that will split the vote.
    No, Damian is a member of the anarchist ERG group that disrespects all but the 'no deal' vested interests, once they get what they want they will soon return him to Asda packing shelves

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    The headroom was already there and mentioned by Hammond who doesn't want Boris or Brexit so that theory is up the swanee.

    The Conservatives generally not being good with budgeting I agree.


    The problem is the alternatives are a very big gamble.



    It is for many another "none of the above" voting moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboi View Post
    So here we go. An election coming up and suddenly the Conservatives have found money to fund public services and farmers and bribe the voters into voting for them. The reality is that the money for schools will in the main, be swallowed up by long overdue pay rises for teachers – there won’t be much left over for infrastructure and equipment. The ‘massive’ money boost for our NHS something like £7 billion some of which is actually money freed up that was already held in the system but ‘frozen’ by Cameron’s Government. And this money doesn’t come all at once, it is spread over three years so the NHS only really benefits at the point year three, by which time with inflation and the increasing number of patients to treat, that £7 billion still won’t be enough money. Farmers are now promised millions of pounds in funding; Scottish farmers in particular £54 million. All this Conservative ‘generosity’ sounds fantastic, but what we are not told is that despite ten years of austerity for ordinary people the money to fund this largess isn’t there, we’d have to borrow it, increasing, yes increasing national debt! And once the Conservatives have bribed their way back into government the inevitable tax increases follow for every one of us to pay this debt back, a new austerity! This is nothing new, we’ve been conned by this Conservative “strategy” by previous Conservative administrations, we can’t fall for it again.
    There is an argument that this extra funding can soon be afforded by the money we no longer pay into the EU following Brexit (if it happens). This is a fallacy. The money that we pay into the EU (along with every other EU member state), we have a unique deal with the EU which means the UK gets most of it back anyway in tax rebates (thank you Mrs Thatcher) and grants, so there is no extra money from not paying into the EU post Brexit, that’s a con!
    The Conservatives are the party of good monetary governance? I think not, it’s about clinging on to power and looking after their own. Don’t be conned again at election time.
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    So you’re criticising the Tories for borrowing money, even though your beloved Marxist Party admits that it would borrow and spend £billions, money that would one day would have to be repaid, probably by another round of austerity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    So you’re criticising the Tories for borrowing money, even though your beloved Marxist Party admits that it would borrow and spend £billions, money that would one day would have to be repaid, probably by another round of austerity.
    There was never a need for austerity in the first place.
     

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    Have the Tories got anyone left to vote for?

    Taking my political leanings aside, if I was a wavering Tory voter, I'd be looking for some stability in the leadership. That isn't nor never will be Johnson. The current Cabinet have shown no moral fibre whatsoever, as they've shown they'll flip beliefs at the drop of a hat. So that's tricky. As another poster said, the presence of the ERG lurking and pulling strings takes away any notion of them being a 'one nation' party. Austerity measures were cruel and unnecessary, and historically, despite protestations, the economy is better in other party's hands. They aren't finished as a party, obviously, but they do need a strong leader. I think they will get one soon, but soon enough for the next election is another matter.

    The Lib-Dems haven't yet shown they'll fight for a cause. Brexit has mobilised them into some kind of stance, but there's still a distrust from their dalliance with the Tories. I wouldn't write them off, though. They'll probably end up in a coalition. Their membership is growing as both left and right are looking to an alternative.

    UKIP? Defunct. Allying with the likes of Tommy Robinson? Really?

    The Brexit Party? I understand why people voted for them in the EU elections, to a degree. If you've no particular interest in politics, or are easily swayed by snake oil salesmen, or are just quite angry because the world hasn't turned out the way you wanted. Or you actually think that immigrants are taking all the jobs. Or you have no clue how the EU works, but you just KNOW they are evil overlords who are taking the p**s out of this once proud isle. And the likes of Rupert Murdoch are standing up for the little people, then this is the party for you. There is no reason for this party to exist if we leave the EU, but don't worry, Farage will have another party, another vanity project along soon. He sucks on the teat of publicity. Without it he'd turn to dust like a vampire in sunlight. So leave or remain, he'll be back.

    Labour? They've a history of economic stability compared to the Tories. They've said they'll stop Universal Credit. Will raise Corporation Tax. Will nationalise certain industries. But, from a lot of voter's point of view, they are led by a Commy terrorist sympathiser who won't sing the national anthem. Again, if you think the likes of Rupert Murdoch are on your side, this isn't the party for you.

    The rest, l think are idealist. The Greens may well have a place in the future, as we're basically screwed on the climate front. But maybe a wasted vote overall.

    Times like this I could happily move to Scotland.

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    I have realised the remainers have been right all along when they say I did not know all the true facts before voting to leave, so I decided to do a little research.
    I just voted to leave because I thought our sovereignty was being compromised by foreign unelected masters, and that we were compelled to have unlimited uncontrolled immigration, our laws and export agreements dictated by Brussels bureaucrats, and had to pay eye-watering amounts for the privilege.


    I did not know more than 10,000 EU officials get paid more than our prime minister.
    I did not know that unlike the UK, 18 countries get more back from the EU than they put in.
    I did not know that the EU occupies over 45 buildings 2 of which were purpose built monuments of grandeur and are the largest buildings in Europe.
    I did not know that the EU parliament spends 150million Euros a year moving to Strasbourg every month for 4 days committee meetings, any attempt to stop this stupidity is vetoed by France.
    I did not know that the EU has had a huge luxury shopping Mall built in Brussels for the exclusive use of EU employees.
    I did not know that every day queues of chauffeur driven cars with their engines running, wait outside EU establishments while their occupants go in, sign in for their attendance allowance and expenses, then come straight back out and are driven away.
    I did not know that many of them (like the Kinnocks) end up as millionaires as a reward for looking the other way.
    I did not know that Clegg was lying when he mocked Nigel Farage for saying that an EU army was being planned.
    I did not know that the EU had been financing the mass movement of industries from UK to mainland Europe.
    I could go on and on but suffice it to say that I have never for a moment doubted the correctness of my decision, I am so glad that the remoaners prompted me to look deeper into the bureaucratic absurdity of being in the EU.


    Apart from all that, everything's fine!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr B S Sniffer View Post
    There was never a need for austerity in the first place.
    So you believe that we can just carry on borrowing and spending money we don’t have. Somewhere along the way, these debts have to be repaid, but hey ho, as long as you aren’t affected, that’s ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kippax View Post
    I have realised the remainers have been right all along when they say I did not know all the true facts before voting to leave, so I decided to do a little research.
    I just voted to leave because I thought our sovereignty was being compromised by foreign unelected masters, and that we were compelled to have unlimited uncontrolled immigration, our laws and export agreements dictated by Brussels bureaucrats, and had to pay eye-watering amounts for the privilege.


    I did not know more than 10,000 EU officials get paid more than our prime minister.
    I did not know that unlike the UK, 18 countries get more back from the EU than they put in.
    I did not know that the EU occupies over 45 buildings 2 of which were purpose built monuments of grandeur and are the largest buildings in Europe.....

    What did you base your vote on then? Did you think that the administration of 28 countries came free?

    What laws do you want to change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by libraryguy View Post
    NO!!! We pay more into the EU than we get back.

    Vote Conservative in Southport as Damien Moore respects the 2016 referendum result. We don't need a Brexit party candidate here as that will split the vote.
    You are making the assumption that Tory voters in Southport are all Brexiters... that's a double whammy in my book!

    Brexit has always been about different parts of the country wanting to leave or remain - that's why it's split the political parties ... that's why it's split the nation.
    "May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one." - Firefly (TV Series)

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