Dangerous Hero by Tom Bower

[Hamble]

That's terrible.

[AdmiralAckbar]

Forgeplay?

I would imagine any possible complaints would involve the police and he'd get a right grilling ... with careers going down the drain ... real gutter politics.

[Hamble]

Our money - as in, the money the government collects and spends on our behalf ... you know exactly what I meant.

Your VAT ... my VAT ... our VAT ??? What are you going on about?

You said 50% of people don't pay tax. I think, upon reflection, you've realized your mistake, and this VAT dance is another deflection attempt.

Nobody likes paying taxes, but for some things like shared services (e.g. NHS, Emergency Services, national defence etc) everyone who can contribute should contribute their fair share ... it is the interpretation of the words fair share which is the cause of most of the arguments on this point.

I said
" Nearly 50% of Brits do not pay tax."

VAT depends on the goods one buys.


Speak for yourself!
I am happy to pay my taxes and will continue to be happy to pay them.

[Hamble]

I would imagine any possible complaints would involve the police and he'd get a right grilling ... with careers going down the drain ... real gutter politics.

I can't wait!

[Alikado]

I said
" Nearly 50% of Brits do not pay tax."

VAT depends on the goods one buys.


Speak for yourself!
I am happy to pay my taxes and will continue to be happy to pay them.

You're wriggling, maybe 50 % don't pay income tax but nobody can escapepaying taxes. Governments impose a range of taxes to ensure that everybody pays, it is well known that through history people are reluctant to cough up so we are attacked from all directions, the statistics show though the poor pay a larger propotion of their income in taxes than the better off. The rich however are very adept at paying very little through their web of off shore interests and trusts.

[silver fox]

I said
" Nearly 50% of Brits do not pay tax."

VAT depends on the goods one buys.


Speak for yourself!
I am happy to pay my taxes and will continue to be happy to pay them.

You stress on income tax when pushing your stats on who pays tax or doesn't.

Anyone not paying income tax is hardly in a position to pay anything, standard tax bands for 2019/2020 are tax free allowance £12,500, 40% tax rate comes into play on earnings over £50,000.

I would be far more concerned that anyone could be earning so little rather than quibbling as to whether they pay tax or not., of course income tax is only part of the taxation picture, most of everything we buy is subject to tax, now can quibble that the government does not take this directly, but that is where it ends up, while we are at it, your thoughts on the stealth taxes from this government, making cuts to local authorities, police, education etc, making these authorities responsible for funding, further cash can only be raised through rates guess who pays for that?

[Hamble]

You're wriggling, maybe 50 % don't pay income tax but nobody can escapepaying taxes. Governments impose a range of taxes to ensure that everybody pays, it is well known that through history people are reluctant to cough up so we are attacked from all directions, the statistics show though the poor pay a larger propotion of their income in taxes than the better off. The rich however are very adept at paying very little through their web of off shore interests and trusts.

" Nearly 50% of Brits do not pay tax."
Income tax is law.

VAT tax items have to be purchased.

Attacked?

Alcohol cigarettes and Pringles are a consumer choice.

You grumble about oil rich politics so don't begrudge fuel tax.

Offshore means not in the UK.

[Hamble]

You stress on income tax when pushing your stats on who pays tax or doesn't.

Anyone not paying income tax is hardly in a position to pay anything, standard tax bands for 2019/2020 are tax free allowance £12,500, 40% tax rate comes into play on earnings over £50,000.

I would be far more concerned that anyone could be earning so little rather than quibbling as to whether they pay tax or not., of course income tax is only part of the taxation picture, most of everything we buy is subject to tax, now can quibble that the government does not take this directly, but that is where it ends up, while we are at it, your thoughts on the stealth taxes from this government, making cuts to local authorities, police, education etc, making these authorities responsible for funding, further cash can only be raised through rates guess who pays for that?

In context( who pays tax )was to point out Corbyn's policy would be to
tax the rich more by putting up the tax threshold.

I am of course assuming it would not be Corbyn policy to raise VAT
on all consumer items.

[Alikado]

" Nearly 50% of Brits do not pay tax."
Income tax is law.

VAT tax items have to be purchased.

Attacked?

Alcohol cigarettes and Pringles are a consumer choice.

You grumble about oil rich politics so don't begrudge fuel tax.

Offshore means not in the UK.

Income tax is law like all other taxes

VAT items have to be purchased but fuel and food cannot be avoided, Alcohol, ciggaettes & Pringles are indeed a consumer choice but we cannot avoid the gas & electric.

The only time I grumble about 'oil rich politics' is on threads about the interferance in other states.

Off shore often means using a loophole so you use a British Dependancy with low tax rates to avoid higher rates, everybody can do it but unfortunately you need to be rich to be able to afford the lawyers to setit up.

[Alikado]

In context( who pays tax )was to point out Corbyn's policy would be to
tax the rich more by putting up the tax threshold.

I am of course assuming it would not be Corbyn policy to raise VAT
on all consumer items.

You are again obsessing with Jeremy and Income Tax.

[Hamble]

You are again obsessing with Jeremy and Income Tax.

Dodge!






https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/9230

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All Labour leaders belong to a society called The Fabian Society. The name of Fabian is derived from a Roman General called Fabius - who used strategies to slowly wear down his enemies over a period of time. The portrayal of this Society is given by themselves as ' A Wolf in Sheep's clothing' It is very interesting to read the history of this society and how it started, and to understand their true beliefs. Not their own official publications - but the real facts. Also note how this society is funded.

"Based on analysis of existing poll data and historical trends, the study predicts that the next election, whether held imminently or in 2020, is very likely to see Labour win fewer than 200 seats for the first time since 1935, possibly falling to about 140." The Guardian.

But that quote is taken entirely out of time and context - it was from early 2017 and as we know, The following happened...

In early 2017 Fabian general secretary, Andrew Harrop, produced a report[40] arguing the only feasible route for Labour to return to government would be to work with the Liberal Democrats and Scottish National Party. Based on then-current polling, it predicted Labour would win fewer than 200 seats in the next general election, the lowest since 1935, due to Brexit, lack of support in Scotland, and Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn’s purported unpopularity.[41][42] This prediction was proven false in the general election later in 2017 in which Labour won 262 seats.


Just for clarity!