Attenboroughs Climate Concerns Aired Tonight - BBC1 9pm

[The PNP]

This one-off special could be well worth a watch.



STOP EMITTING CO2!

[Ceam]

This one-off special could be well worth a watch.



STOP EMITTING CO2!

Says the chimney sweep who drives a dirty great van. Irony at it's best.

[The PNP]

Says the chimney sweep who drives a dirty great van. Irony at it's best.

Almost true, the business (established over 10yrs) now has two commercial vehicles on the road.

N.B. Personal transport here is still, whenever practical, by bike. I don't own/run a car, and that has been the case since '97, when I originally packed in driving....Only to have to get behind the wheel again over a decade later, when business dictated.

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This one-off special could be well worth a watch.



STOP EMITTING CO2!

I cannot see that DA's views would be enlightening at all. He is a Natural Historian - not a Climatologist, and I doubt that he has done much research into climate as it is not his field.
It is more than likely the BBC have asked his views on the result that a warming climate would have on ecosystems etc.,
The so called climate change is nothing different to that which the planet has experienced previously, evidenced by ancient settlements, early sea faring records, dendro-chronology, fossils, movement of ice plains etc., The whole of Europe was once a tropical area while at another time it was mainly covered in ice, while many of today's deserts were once luscious jungles and tides have risen and ebbed to carve the land form it has at present.
The Earth is 4.5. billion years old - life on the planet has been dated to around 4 billion years. Natural extinction is a course of nature where weaker species make way for stronger species. There is also mention of the Earth constantly moving out away from the Sun every year.
Climate change, as opposed to weather changes, are due to energy exchange on Earth. These occur regularly and as part of nature of the universe - for example, the water cycle of earth contributes 60% of 'greenhouse' gases to the atmosphere. Volcanoes issue 'greenhouse' gases into the atmosphere. Aerosols are claimed to be the cause of most of the harmful effects of 'Global Warming' - they have not yet identified exactly what constitutes an 'Aerosol' but it does include volcanic gases, dust from the deserts and sea salt. Man made aerosols - only a minor few are considered dangerous - contain air, that is already on the planet, chemicals found on the planet or in the atmosphere already and that by natural events mix in the course.
Global warming tax - is money that you are paying for being born on the planet Earth.

[The PNP]

^Be all that as it may (or not), imo it's far better to be safe than sorry.

Cos if we screw-up this planet, another one isn't coming by anytime soon!

[DixieRoy]

I have thought for a while that mankind is already past the point of no return. We are slowly but surely killing our planet.
In a few thousand years, or maybe even sooner Earth will be a hot dead rocky planet, very similar to what Venus is now.

I like David Attenborough, and applaud his efforts, but I do think that his words will fall upon deaf ears.

[Hamble]

It won't fall on deaf ears.
The problem is we all know the measures needed will affect the have nots more.

The yellow vest protests in Paris are in part a rage against Macron's climate change measures affecting the 'working man'.

[DixieRoy]

It won't fall on deaf ears.
The problem is we all know the measures needed will affect the have nots more.

The yellow vest protests in Paris are in part a rage against Macron's climate change measures affecting the 'working man'.

As far as the main contributors to greenhouse gases and pollution are concerned it almost certainly will fall on deaf ears.
China, India, the USA, not interested I am afraid, what we and others try to do will be far outweighed by their errors in accepting that they need to change what they do.

[The PNP]

A) It won't fall on deaf ears.
The problem is we all know the measures needed will affect the have nots more.

B) The yellow vest protests in Paris are in part a rage against Macron's climate change measures affecting the 'working man'.

A) Let's hope plenty ears take note and make a start on changing their ways....Despite perfect cycling weather, many ears will doubtless be turning out in droves again on four wheels over the long w/end. Only to endure long sweaty hours stuck in the usual Bank Holiday queues, churning out yet more CO2.

B) Sad situation, they should instead be protesting about the lack of their Govt's progress in cutting CO2.....I do admire the efforts of our UK climate protesters, occupying road-junctions etc in London to make their point.

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It won't fall on deaf ears.
The problem is we all know the measures needed will affect the have nots more.

The yellow vest protests in Paris are in part a rage against Macron's climate change measures affecting the 'working man'.

I understood that the Yellow Vest protests were that the people of today do not have the rights that their parents had. i.e taxes are too high.
Wikipedia = "grassroots political movement for economic justice"
Are you sure you do not mean the Green Vests? They protested against Climate change.

[Hamble]

I understood that the Yellow Vest protests were that the people of today do not have the rights that their parents had. i.e taxes are too high.
Wikipedia = "grassroots political movement for economic justice"
Are you sure you do not mean the Green Vests? They protested against Climate change.

Yes I am sure it is the Yellow Vests.

"Emmanuel Macron’s defeat by the gilets jaunes (yellow vests) movement over a proposed eco-tax rise is likely to come as a painful lesson for environmental policymakers at this week’s UN climate talks in Katowice.

After the most violent protests in Paris for half a century, the French president has been forced to postpone a planned eco-tax rise on fuel, showing how ecological measures can have explosive consequences if there is any suggestion they are being used to “greenwash” austerity.

Other leaders will need better timing and a far defter political touch before they introduce similar measures to reduce carbon emissions.

Dozens of countries and cities have introduced or drawn up plans for carbon taxes to speed the transition from fossil fuels that are warming the planet to increasingly dangerous levels. They are rarely easy to implement. There have also been protests and political backwards steps in Belgium, Tunisia, Algeria and Canada.


Macron has positioned himself as one of the pioneers. He has championed the Paris climate agreement and promised to make France an example of how economies can grow as they cut carbon emissions. In contrast to the me-first-ism of Donald Trump, the French leader’s slogan has been “Make our planet great again”."

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...el-for-thought

[Hamble]

A) Let's hope plenty ears take note and make a start on changing their ways....Despite perfect cycling weather, many ears will doubtless be turning out in droves again on four wheels over the long w/end. Only to endure long sweaty hours stuck in the usual Bank Holiday queues, churning out yet more CO2.

B) Sad situation, they should instead be protesting about the lack of their Govt's progress in cutting CO2.....I do admire the efforts of our UK climate protesters, occupying road-junctions etc in London to make their point.

Extinction Rebellion intend to shut down Heathrow tomorrow.
Surely you do not condone that?

[local]

When will the Eco protesters move their campaigns to where it matters.

[The PNP]

Extinction Rebellion intend to shut down Heathrow tomorrow.
Surely you do not condone that?

It really shouldn't have to come to disruptive actions like this, but how else is the message going to be taken seriously? I did not condone their superglue protest against public transport (DLR). But when it comes to major airports, let's face it, all those huge planes do pump out masses of CO2 directly into the upper atmosphere.

[The PNP]

When will the Eco protesters move their campaigns to where it matters.

They are mate, i.e. blocking road junctions.....Fact: motor vehicles are now the number one biggest source of CO2 emissions in the UK.