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  1. local says:04/08/2018 08:15 AM
    The problem is the management company failed to manage.

    Non viable businesses offering too much rent should have been refused tenancies.

    The council were taken in by dreamers promising to gain them unrealistic returns for the market.

    They now have a dead market that needs reviving due to poor stewardship, it should be paid for by the management company who have demonstrably failed.

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  3. Alikado says:04/08/2018 08:36 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jamyramy View Post
    the council want it to fall!!!
    Why would they want it to fail, the building could not be redeveloped.

  4. mike1979 says:04/08/2018 08:56 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    Sefton Council has other priorities....Bootle New Strand.
    It's the Strand Shopping Centre actually. Hasn't been New Strand for donkeys.

  5. paulollie says:04/08/2018 12:16 PM
    Snobby Southport I'm afraid too stuck up their own noses to shop in a "market".

    They would sooner go to the Trafford, Liv One and the like and all buy the same shite.

    The stall holders could sell it for "free" and the footfall would just be as bad.

  6. Ceam says:04/08/2018 07:24 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paulollie View Post
    Snobby Southport I'm afraid too stuck up their own noses to shop in a "market".

    They would sooner go to the Trafford, Liv One and the like and all buy the same shite.

    The stall holders could sell it for "free" and the footfall would just be as bad.
    :-)

  7. jamyramy says:04/08/2018 08:35 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Alikado View Post
    Why would they want it to fail, the building could not be redeveloped.
    multi-storey parking or more to the point flats development through the usual back door of sefton councils remits.

  8. *concerned* says:05/08/2018 06:59 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jamyramy View Post
    multi-storey parking or more to the point flats development through the usual back door of sefton councils remits.
    Is Tulketh St multi-storey car park still open ?

  9. Lamparilla says:05/08/2018 07:12 AM
    Shouldn't the headline say 'two thirds empty'?

  10. gsgsgs says:05/08/2018 08:38 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by *concerned* View Post
    Is Tulketh St multi-storey car park still open ?
    Yes, you pay when you leave by entering you vehicle reg. All car-parks should work that was as you don't have to worry about the time or ticket blowing over.

  11. Alikado says:05/08/2018 09:45 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by pepsi View Post
    I went to Chorley on Tuesday and both the indoor & outdoor markets were really busy.
    Places like Chorley, Preston, Bury & Ormskirk have traditionally always had a Market Days(s), Southport has never had this focus of attraction.

  12. MargeSimpson says:05/08/2018 04:30 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by salus.populi View Post
    So the traders bid high and then complain about their own high bids? No wonder their businesses fail.
    I do not know whether that is still the way things work there, but it did for many years.
    The new stallholder had at one time to pay the exiting stallholder a goodwill premium.
    Sefton was jealous of that so decided to base rents on the highest bidder.
    It is very obvious that the "winners" simply overestimated the rent they would be able to pay and the rot started.
    If Sefton Council had had a single ounce of business acumen, they would have abandoned the existing market site and moved into the vacated Woolworths site years ago.

  13. salus.populi says:05/08/2018 04:36 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by MargeSimpson View Post
    I do not know whether that is still the way things work there, but it did for many years.
    The new stallholder had at one time to pay the exiting stallholder a goodwill premium.
    Sefton was jealous of that so decided to base rents on the highest bidder.
    It is very obvious that the "winners" simply overestimated the rent they would be able to pay and the rot started.
    If Sefton Council had had a single ounce of business acumen, they would have abandoned the existing market site and moved into the vacated Woolworths site years ago.
    Abandon a building they own and rent a commercial premises where the rent would be hundreds of thousands a year?

  14. Alikado says:05/08/2018 06:29 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by salus.populi View Post
    Abandon a building they own and rent a commercial premises where the rent would be hundreds of thousands a year?
    .................and still have to pay all the upkeep costs and Business Rates whilst receiving no income.

  15. Graham says:05/08/2018 07:39 PM
    imho there should have been twice the number of units at half the rent for small traders doing niche stuff. Plus not to have a lowered ceiling with insulation, then having to put in hugely expensive space heating for the winter made zero sense and bigger bills.


    Makes you wonder who plans and manages these project?

  16. crocodile35 says:05/08/2018 09:51 PM
    Even McDonald's shut in that area of town. Are we the only town in the country where a McDonald's couldn't make it pay? What chance does an old fashioned market have:?



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