Will he won't he?

[Toodles McGinty]

I noticed how quiet this thread had gone this week.

The juxtaposition of the opening of Trump's shiny new embassy in Jerusalem, complete with his message about 'peace', with the slaughter of Palestinians at the same time was frankly obscene.

Admittedly, this wasn't exactly a peaceful protest, but once again the Israeli reaction was wildly disproportionate. Slaughtering men, women and children for throwing stones?

Trump and his gung-ho advisers (usually with nicknames such as 'Mad Dog') knew moving the embassy would cause violence. Just as he knows that puling out of the Iran deal is going to cause war.

And now the charming Mr Trump is threatening Europe with sanctions for upholding the treaty.

I despair for ordinary Israelis and Palestinians who want no part in this mess.

[Hamble]

I noticed how quiet this thread had gone this week.

The juxtaposition of the opening of Trump's shiny new embassy in Jerusalem, complete with his message about 'peace', with the slaughter of Palestinians at the same time was frankly obscene.

Admittedly, this wasn't exactly a peaceful protest, but once again the Israeli reaction was wildly disproportionate. Slaughtering men, women and children for throwing stones?

Trump and his gung-ho advisers (usually with nicknames such as 'Mad Dog') knew moving the embassy would cause violence. Just as he knows that puling out of the Iran deal is going to cause war.

And now the charming Mr Trump is threatening Europe with sanctions for upholding the treaty.

I despair for ordinary Israelis and Palestinians who want no part in this mess.

President Trump has a plan for 'what next'?

Although there has been speculation in the press the US has not yet released details other than it is support for a Palestinian State and will
mean both sides making allowances.

Is a Palestinian State not the wish of most people?

[Toodles McGinty]

President Trump has a plan for 'what next'?

Although there has been speculation in the press the US has not yet released details other than it is support for a Palestinian State and will
mean both sides making allowances.

Is a Palestinian State not the wish of most people?

I'd hope so, Hamble. I don't see any kind of peace in the region unless there is. Then again I don't see a true peace there, ever. Not really.

Whilst we can't take main stream media as Gospel, there have been some interesting views expressed. I saw one Israeli who wouldn't even utter the word 'Palestinian', yet others who wanted peace. I heard of a Palestinian last year saying “One Israeli soldier killed my daughter but 100 ex-Israeli soldiers from Combatants for Peace built a garden in her memory.” There are ordinary folk on both sides whose lives are being ripped apart by their respective governments and extremists.

But I really cannot imagine Trump and co. brokering a peace deal. He's insular, ignorant and not even that great at 'deals', given his history of bankruptcy. If he does it'll be the biggest slice of serendipity ever witnessed.

[Hamble]

I'd hope so, Hamble. I don't see any kind of peace in the region unless there is. Then again I don't see a true peace there, ever. Not really.

Whilst we can't take main stream media as Gospel, there have been some interesting views expressed. I saw one Israeli who wouldn't even utter the word 'Palestinian', yet others who wanted peace. I heard of a Palestinian last year saying “One Israeli soldier killed my daughter but 100 ex-Israeli soldiers from Combatants for Peace built a garden in her memory.” There are ordinary folk on both sides whose lives are being ripped apart by their respective governments and extremists.

But I really cannot imagine Trump and co. brokering a peace deal. He's insular, ignorant and not even that great at 'deals', given his history of bankruptcy. If he does it'll be the biggest slice of serendipity ever witnessed.

Sometimes it takes an insular ignorant dastard's mindset to think out of the logical man's box.

Palestine as an independent State is going to need a lot of support and investment and not to mention a jolly big incentive to peace.

[Styx]

The Palestinians must accept that Israel is here to STAY.

https://www.quora.com/When-will-the-...ar-with-Israel

Slaughtering men, women and children for throwing stones?

Most MEN, don't put their women and children in danger.

[Alikado]

The Palestinians must accept that Israel is here to STAY.

https://www.quora.com/When-will-the-...ar-with-Israel



Most MEN, don't put their women and children in danger.

Israel should retire to the Pre 1967 borders for a start, remove all the settlements and allow the Atomic Weapons Inspectorate full unfettered access.

[Toodles McGinty]

The Palestinians must accept that Israel is here to STAY.

https://www.quora.com/When-will-the-...ar-with-Israel



Most MEN, don't put their women and children in danger.

Interesting point of view. So if I shot a kid for chucking stones at my house, it would be the father's fault?

I'd say the opposite, most MEN don't shoot women and children. Although there have been sadly many cases where soldiers have. I've no doubt the Israeli soldiers aren't given a choice in the matter, but it is shameful whichever way you look at it.

[Hamble]

Israel should retire to the Pre 1967 borders for a start, remove all the settlements and allow the Atomic Weapons Inspectorate full unfettered access.

Are you sure Ali?


The Green Line, or (pre-) 1967 border or 1949 Armistice border is the demarcation line set out in the 1949 Armistice Agreements between the armies of Israel and those of its neighbors (Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria) after the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. It served as the de facto borders of the State of Israel from 1949 until the Six-Day War in 1967.

The name comes from the green ink used to draw the line on the map while the armistice talks were going on.
After the Six-Day War, the territories captured by Israel beyond the Green Line came to be designated as East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, and Sinai Peninsula (the Sinai Peninsula has since been returned to Egypt as part of the 1979 peace treaty). These territories are often referred to as Israeli-occupied territories.

The Green Line was intended as a demarcation line rather than a permanent border. The 1949 Armistice Agreements were clear (at Arab insistence that they were not creating permanent borders. The Egyptian–Israeli agreement, for example, stated that "the Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question.

Similar provisions are contained in the Armistice Agreements with Jordan and Syria. The Agreement with Lebanon contained no such provisions, and was treated as the international border between Israel and Lebanon, stipulating only that forces would be withdrawn to the Israel–Lebanon border.

The Green Line is often referred to as the "pre-1967 borders" or the "1967 borders" by many international bodies and national leaders, including the former United States president (Barack Obama),[Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas,[6] by the United Nations (UN) in informal texts,+and in the text of UN General Assembly Resolutions.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Line_(Israel)

[Hamble]

Interesting point of view. So if I shot a kid for chucking stones at my house, it would be the father's fault?

I'd say the opposite, most MEN don't shoot women and children. Although there have been sadly many cases where soldiers have. I've no doubt the Israeli soldiers aren't given a choice in the matter, but it is shameful whichever way you look at it.

What is the difference between a 'shoot to kill' terrorism policy in Belgium and a shoot to kill policy in the UK?

Quote
"A two-year-old girl found with fatal injuries in Belgium after a police chase on Thursday died from a gunshot wound to the face, prosecutors say.

The girl was in a van carrying some 30 Kurdish migrants which had been pursued for an hour in southern Belgium."



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44168073

[Alikado]

Are you sure Ali?


The Green Line, or (pre-) 1967 border or 1949 Armistice border is the demarcation line set out in the 1949 Armistice Agreements between the armies of Israel and those of its neighbors (Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria) after the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. It served as the de facto borders of the State of Israel from 1949 until the Six-Day War in 1967.

The name comes from the green ink used to draw the line on the map while the armistice talks were going on.
After the Six-Day War, the territories captured by Israel beyond the Green Line came to be designated as East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, and Sinai Peninsula (the Sinai Peninsula has since been returned to Egypt as part of the 1979 peace treaty). These territories are often referred to as Israeli-occupied territories.

The Green Line was intended as a demarcation line rather than a permanent border. The 1949 Armistice Agreements were clear (at Arab insistence that they were not creating permanent borders. The Egyptian–Israeli agreement, for example, stated that "the Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate settlement of the Palestine question.

Similar provisions are contained in the Armistice Agreements with Jordan and Syria. The Agreement with Lebanon contained no such provisions, and was treated as the international border between Israel and Lebanon, stipulating only that forces would be withdrawn to the Israel–Lebanon border.

The Green Line is often referred to as the "pre-1967 borders" or the "1967 borders" by many international bodies and national leaders, including the former United States president (Barack Obama),[Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas,[6] by the United Nations (UN) in informal texts,+and in the text of UN General Assembly Resolutions.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Line_(Israel)

It would be an excellent starting point.

[Hamble]

...and then we sell arms to Israel to shoot them with. Now that's what I call creative accounting!

Do you believe in a 'shoot to kill' policy for terrorists?

[Alikado]

Do you believe in a 'shoot to kill' policy for terrorists?

Which terrorists, the ones armed with guns and bombs or the ones who have sticks and stones.

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

[Hamble]

Which terrorists, the ones armed with guns and bombs or the ones who have sticks and stones.

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

?
The 50 Hamas admitted were Islamic Jihadist fighters and are now Martyrs.

Do you believe Britain and The EU should have a shoot to kill policy on terrorists?

[Alikado]

?
The 50 Hamas admitted were Islamic Jihadist fighters and are now Martyrs.

Do you believe Britain and The EU should have a shoot to kill policy on terrorists?

Why would the EU have a Policy on matters to do with individual countries?

Which terrorists, the ones armed with guns and bombs or the ones who have sticks and stones?

[Hamble]

Why would the EU have a Policy on matters to do with individual countries?

Which terrorists, the ones armed with guns and bombs or the ones who have sticks and stones?

I asked you Do you believe in a 'shoot to kill' policy for terrorists?

Was the Manchester Arena bomber a 'freedom fighter'?

I clearly stated the terrorist group Hamas claimed 50 fighters were killed by the IDF.