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    The Conservatives have pledged £20bn to the NHS

    How? Where has this money come from? The money is from the savings made on the freeze placed on fuel prices!

    So what does this mean? It means that all of those who said they would willingly pay a few more pence to help the NHS, will now make good on the promise! I bet there will be fuel increases in the near future!





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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    How? Where has this money come from? The money is from the savings made on the freeze placed on fuel prices!

    So what does this mean? It means that all of those who said they would willingly pay a few more pence to help the NHS, will now make good on the promise! I bet there will be fuel increases in the near future!
    I would bet a £ to a pinch of pig***** that the 8-year freeze on fuel duty will go. Tbh there is a case to be made for extra taxes on items that contribute to ill-health to fund this extra spending.
    It would also help if tax avoidance was addressed with zeal. Whether the Tories would try very hard in this area is debatable. I would have to say that the last Labour govt failed to make much progress in this area as well.
    In the end the money must be found and we will, no doubt, watch with interest what the Chancellor does in the budget this autumn.
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    The last thing the NHS needs is money. It needs sorting out ,
    a charge needs to be put in place for appointments. Get rid
    of this prescriptions delivery.
    You have an appointment , you make your own way there.
    This is just a reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ausard2 View Post
    The last thing the NHS needs is money.
    Not an auspicious start to a post and rapidly declined thenceforth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ausard2 View Post
    The last thing the NHS needs is money. It needs sorting out ,
    a charge needs to be put in place for appointments. Get rid
    of this prescriptions delivery.
    You have an appointment , you make your own way there.
    This is just a reality.
    Said someone with full mobility and plenty of money or in good health at a guess.



    Charge for missing appointments. That would be a good start.

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    Given the much trumpeted parlous state of the NHS, I wasn't overly impressed to see all the 70th birthday bashes shown on television being attended by staff the length and breadth of the country.
    70 years - so what - crack on.

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    If money for the NHS is to come from an increase in fuel duty so be it IMO. But at the same time let's sort out the higher levels of management and the waste in the NHS .By doing that it will release further money .
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    I would like to know how many of the so called missed appointments have never actually been sent out, this privatised appointments system so of the use is chaotic. Many appts are sent out in duplicate only to be cancelled 2 days later and rescheduled, what is the point in sending out an appointment for 3 or 6 months time by first class post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alikado View Post
    I would like to know how many of the so called missed appointments have never actually been sent out, this privatised appointments system so of the use is chaotic. Many appts are sent out in duplicate only to be cancelled 2 days later and rescheduled, what is the point in sending out an appointment for 3 or 6 months time by first class post.


    Odd, we are regular users of the NHS and in particular Alder hey. We have had no appointment that haven't been sent out that I can recall, but yes many that have been changed. That's the nature of the beast when consultants get rushed into surgery etc.

    Doctors surgery work on a day to day system yet still have dozens of missed appointments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceam View Post
    Odd, we are regular users of the NHS and in particular Alder hey. We have had no appointment that haven't been sent out that I can recall, but yes many that have been changed. That's the nature of the beast when consultants get rushed into surgery etc.

    Doctors surgery work on a day to day system yet still have dozens of missed appointments.
    Walton Centre & Womens Hospital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ausard2 View Post
    The last thing the NHS needs is money. It needs sorting out ,
    a charge needs to be put in place for appointments. Get rid
    of this prescriptions delivery.
    You have an appointment , you make your own way there.
    This is just a reality.
    Karma is a *****. She will come knocking eventually.

    Everybody who has an appointment makes their own way there, unless too ill to do so. The NHS is arguably our greatest achievement as a country. Charges for appointments is the polar opposite of Nye Bevan's foundation: No society can legitimately call itself civilised if a sick person is denied medical aid because of lack of means. Prescription delivery is down to the individual pharmacy. But more cuts mean that a lot of pharmacies no longer offer the service. The same government that encourage you to use a pharmacy rather than a GP for advice.

    But sure, the NHS doesn't need any more money.

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    How? Where has this money come from? The money is from the savings made on the freeze placed on fuel prices!
    Not the 'magic money tree'? Curious.

    As has been said over and over, there would be enough cash around to fund the NHS several times over, if certain individuals and corporations paid the correct amount of tax. The government has thousands of employees trying to cut benefit fraud, yet only a few hundred to track down tax avoiders (never mind evaders). the amount of benefit fraud compared to the amount that could be collected through tax is tiny and obscenely disproportionate in terms of man hours spent on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazaprop View Post
    Given the much trumpeted parlous state of the NHS, I wasn't overly impressed to see all the 70th birthday bashes shown on television being attended by staff the length and breadth of the country.
    70 years - so what - crack on.
    Most NHS staff work damned hard in difficult conditions. Every management guide and textbook in the world will talk about the importance of celebrating success in maintaining morale and building performance.

    I'm afraid an email saying "please note that today is the 70th birthday of the NHS, but the patient is not well and without further blood sacrifice it will never see its 80th birthday" will not motivate anybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albion102 View Post
    Most NHS staff work damned hard in difficult conditions. Every management guide and textbook in the world will talk about the importance of celebrating success in maintaining morale and building performance.

    I'm afraid an email saying "please note that today is the 70th birthday of the NHS, but the patient is not well and without further blood sacrifice it will never see its 80th birthday" will not motivate anybody.
    Give me strength !!! Pure bleeding heart bollocks !!!!

    The majority of the Public Sector work 'damned' hard, especially so since austerity with many losing their jobs and homes due to serious cuts - still - the cake and sandwiches were jolly nice.
    All workers get thanked - it's called pay or salary.
    The unfortunate truth is that those who are paid to deliver 'morale' boosts and enhance performance are leeches and nothing more - they draining resources away.
    Give the money spent on this 70th nonsense to the staff in their paypackets - how would that be for a morale boost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazaprop View Post
    Give me strength !!! Pure bleeding heart bollocks !!!!

    The majority of the Public Sector work 'damned' hard, especially so since austerity with many losing their jobs and homes due to serious cuts - still - the cake and sandwiches were jolly nice.
    All workers get thanked - it's called pay or salary.
    The unfortunate truth is that those who are paid to deliver 'morale' boosts and enhance performance are leeches and nothing more - they draining resources away.
    Give the money spent on this 70th nonsense to the staff in their paypackets - how would that be for a morale boost?

    Have you thought of emailing that to May as sending it to the grinning clown of a Health Minister would be wasted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazaprop View Post
    Give me strength !!! Pure bleeding heart bollocks !!!!

    The majority of the Public Sector work 'damned' hard, especially so since austerity with many losing their jobs and homes due to serious cuts - still - the cake and sandwiches were jolly nice.
    All workers get thanked - it's called pay or salary.
    The unfortunate truth is that those who are paid to deliver 'morale' boosts and enhance performance are leeches and nothing more - they draining resources away.
    Give the money spent on this 70th nonsense to the staff in their paypackets - how would that be for a morale boost?
    There should not be any more money spent on the NHS until the whole system is managed to a high standard of efficiency. This cannot be done until Private companies are withdrawn from the system so that all information is made coherent throughout. On a recent call to a hospital's Emergency Department, I asked to speak to a Doctor on call from that same Department. I was told that they have no record of that Doctor as it is under a separate organisation?? There are far too many agencies involved that are highly detrimental to patient care and efficiency of the system. The management level is extremely top heavy and needs to be cut back severely in favour of medically trained personnel. There should be far less administration staff - too many of these and control is lost. Money spent on the NHS now would be like throwing money down a drain.
    Yes, the staff do work very hard. That is what they signed up to do, what they have trained for, it was a choice that they made. The majority carry out their work very efficiently. It is not the job that they are doing that is the problem - it is the system and its organisation that make their jobs more difficult.
    There should be main offices that cover every district to ensure the running of each hospital. Each hospital should have ONLY medically trained staff employed apart from security, cleaners and orderlies.

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