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Should there be more Discipline in Schools
Schools exist to prepare young people for their future careers and for the life ahead of them.
Everyone has experienced or seen the outcome when young people have not received the guidance that they need. This is because young people know that there are few barriers to prevent them from doing what they want to do.
There will always be a few young people who fall through the net as there was when school discipline was very strict - but surely the system has gone too far the other way now. Surely, there should be some discipline in schools to show where the limits of bad behaviour lie?
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This is because young people know that there are few barriers to prevent them from doing what they want to do.
For me, that is more of a parenting issue !
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Originally Posted by *concerned*
For me, that is more of a parenting issue !
Unfortunately when the dregs are breeding the children just follow their lead, schools are not there to bring up the children and if they are not taught discipline at home then Teachers are on to a loser.
In my time I was taught to respect my elders but when you have elders who are anti Police anti Authority anti Work anti Anything they don't agree with then why should their offspring worry. You only have to look at the rubbish coming from the mouths of family and acquaintances of that scum bag burgler who was killed by the pensioner. He was such a wonderful person? the fact that he has robbed and ripped off pensioners many times and served jail for it along with his "traveller" family members perhaps it is time to start executions again. 3 Strikes and it is the gallows.
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Schools should promote respect and consideration towards all within the environment with zero tolerance on bullying.
Being respectful and courteous to others is a discipline.
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Originally Posted by *concerned*
For me, that is more of a parenting issue !
Seconded.
Schools are there to educate not reprimand.
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Discipline should start at home.
Devil in disguise,
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Originally Posted by *concerned*
For me, that is more of a parenting issue !
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Originally Posted by Ceam
Seconded.
Schools are there to educate not reprimand.
Agree with that, but unfortunately schools still have to take in those kids born to scum bag parents, so how to deal with those who are deliberately disruptive, who create mayhem within the school and are very much a bad influence on normally well behaved children?
Rule by fear should not be the answer, but again what should teachers do when faced with the products of parents who couldn't care less? who see getting "rid" of their offspring temporarily is a good thing.
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Discipline starts in the home . I am not in favour of more disipline in the school .
REST IN PEACE THE 96.
Y.N.W.A.
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Originally Posted by silver fox
Agree with that, but unfortunately schools still have to take in those kids born to scum bag parents, so how to deal with those who are deliberately disruptive, who create mayhem within the school and are very much a bad influence on normally well behaved children?
Rule by fear should not be the answer, but again what should teachers do when faced with the products of parents who couldn't care less? who see getting "rid" of their offspring temporarily is a good thing.
It is true that children should be disciplined by the parents - but those parents are themselves victims of a liberalistic society. Imagine being in primary school at the age of seven or eight and realise that you are not being punished for poor behaviour, that you are not being admonished because you are not working - since it was considered to be against your Human Rights to force you to do so. At that age you are not aware exactly what the purpose of schooling is - so Yay! no more work, pupils can do what they want to do. There have now been two generations who have been failed by the system and the situation will continue until it is stopped. Until more discipline is given within the school system. It has to be the schools - there is no other system that can reverse the lack of discipline. The only teaching staff that would disagree with this are those who should not be in teaching in the first place because they do not understand the children with whom they are dealing.
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clarity begins at home
There is no discipline for children nowerdays they can do what they want, for instance if your 16 yr old got caught smoking at school and the headmaster caught them only to be told yea I smoke and you are a prick and I have had enough of you and your school I am going hpme fk you, only to get home and tell you what has happened so you try to reprimand them but they know that you are not supposed to hit them so they taunt you with that fact they will call the police if you hit them until you crack and pop them one right on the nose before they have finished the word police.
Then after the police have appeared and assessed the situation as an over cheeky teen pushing his parent and themselves when they appear and have left with statements that nobody hit anyone the cheeky teen fat lip in hand is suddenly less cheeky.
Caning in schools is a good idea except it doesn't really hurt or work, I remember the thought of it was more a deterrent than the actuality of it and taking stuff off kids or threatening to cancel treats is no deterrent either as if you take everything from them as a punishment then they have nothing left to loose.
Yea its up to the parents all considered and with the law against them to nip overzealous tardy teens in the bud before antisocial behaviour becomes a normality for them by carrying out any threatened consequences immediately and every time first time. After the softly softly approach and all the love and understanding in the world including learned confrontation distraction techniques ceases to reign back a proper troublemaking and lost case feral teen shitbag , the parents should give them a good hiding simple as that.
Anyone had any experience of this extreme scenario?.
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Originally Posted by seivad
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If there are no boundaries and respect at home, then how are children expected to behave outside...?
Children learn from example...home education in manners and discipline will take children a long way..for the better of course..
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The problem is at home, some kids start school and are not even toilet trained but schools cannot enforce discipline as an excluded pupil just end up doing the rounds from one school to another and ending up at square one. The only option is to make sure the parents are responsible for their offsprings behaviour, a series of fines, loss of benefits or even prison will soon focus attention.
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Parenting cannot be standardised to a level of expected behaviour.
Schools do have that advantage though I am not in favour of using violence and intimidation to achieve it.
Many children have an awful home life.
School should be a sanctuary from violence and mental cruelty.
Discipline has to avoid repeating the failures of parents.
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Originally Posted by Alikado
The problem is at home, some kids start school and are not even toilet trained but schools cannot enforce discipline as an excluded pupil just end up doing the rounds from one school to another and ending up at square one. The only option is to make sure the parents are responsible for their offsprings behaviour, a series of fines, loss of benefits or even prison will soon focus attention.
Many parents, unfortunately, rely on the schools to show their kids the ropes of good and bad behaviour...
I was, you could say, more or less a single parent...my late husband was a Master Mariiner. ...he was away for months at a time and was always the good Dad, bringing presents and let my three get away with anything.
I was the toughie with my three and kept them on a very tight rope.
I have to laugh today, as I see my daughter rearing her four with a strictness more than I did to my three
My three all finished University and all hold professional positions...
Threats of punishment have to be carried out, otherwise you lose their respect. I don't say that it was/is an easy passage, it takes a lot of hard work and giving a lot of yourself to share your life with them. Don't let their tears fool you.
It's all give and take and trust. Share their interests.
Gaud, I was taken abseiling, cycling, you name it I was there. The kids love you joining in to their hobbies ...
I think they have to help around the house, minimum jobs. Give their spare time to helping others.
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