Sensationalism

[said]

Take something as boring as discussing the weather - hand it over to the media and we have a National Crisis!

[Ceam]

Take something as boring as discussing the weather - hand it over to the media and we have a National Crisis!

Think that is easy to say in Southport which has no snow.

[Albion102]

I think that being stuck all night on the M62 or in a train from Waterloo to Weymouth is at the very least newsworthy. The conditions were very difficult in a number of places in Scotland, high ground in the north and areas of the West Country. The country started to run out of gas.

It is now Saturday, and its thawing and getting back to normal, but it was interesting and newsworthy.

[Alikado]

The problem for the Newspapers is they only have old news to print the paper goes to print as we go to bed so we already know of anything newsworthy, if anything happens during the night we know about it first thing as many switch the TV or PC on before looking at a newspaper. The printed media is / has become an irrelevance in the modern age and is fighting for it's life only supported by advertising.

[silver fox]

Easy to sit here in Southport saying what's all the fuss about? but there are currently 10 known deaths as a direct result of the weather conditions, there are still areas without power, villages cut off from any supply, people have been trapped and or stranded, they might have a slightly different view as to what is or isn't important.

[Nick2]

Easy to sit here in Southport saying what's all the fuss about? but there are currently 10 known deaths as a direct result of the weather conditions, there are still areas without power, villages cut off from any supply, people have been trapped and or stranded, they might have a slightly different view as to what is or isn't important.

said is clearly a lonely old attention seeker, with little sense of reality.

[said]

said is clearly a lonely old attention seeker, with little sense of reality.

I accept your gauntlet! So be it! Pistols at dawn. Your call?

There has been very little snow in London and hardly any gales to speak of. There were times in the past when the Thames froze over. The North East has had more snow - but nothing like it had in 1963. Ireland has had more snow than we have - but again, nothing more than usual, ditto with Scotland. There are always more deaths in the Winter - many due to drivers not driving in accordance with road conditions.

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I remember attending school and having snow fights in the playground - school was never closed?? I also remember snow a good few feet deep in Southport not so long ago and also black ice a few times! Not seen or heard of anything like that anywhere yet.

Attention Seeker?? I think not - I get far too much of that with my work.

What the media does do - is make the UK look like it needs coddling - when it is compared to Norway, Russia, Sweden etc., and people all across the World get to read it.

[Toodles McGinty]

What the media does do - is make the UK look like it needs coddling - when it is compared to Norway, Russia, Sweden etc., and people all across the World get to read it.

Places like Norway, Russia, Sweden etc have this weather, and much worse, every year. Hence they prepare for it every year. We only suffer like this every 5 - 6 years or more, so it doesn't make financial sense for local councils or the Highways Agency to prepare for blizzards that aren't going to happen. And yes, it is a big media event when it happens.

I've no doubt that with the advent of climate change we will get colder and whiter winters as time goes on, but for now we just don't need to prepare beyond gritting trucks and snow shovels from B&M that get stuck in the shed for years.

[said]

Places like Norway, Russia, Sweden etc have this weather, and much worse, every year. Hence they prepare for it every year. We only suffer like this every 5 - 6 years or more, so it doesn't make financial sense for local councils or the Highways Agency to prepare for blizzards that aren't going to happen. And yes, it is a big media event when it happens.

I've no doubt that with the advent of climate change we will get colder and whiter winters as time goes on, but for now we just don't need to prepare beyond gritting trucks and snow shovels from B&M that get stuck in the shed for years.

There has been climate change every year since Earth came into existence - but it is only recently that people have had to pay taxes for it. The model that they use to predict future changes has been unsuccessful in producing past changes in climate - so pretty useless really.

[The PNP]

Ireland has had more snow than we have - but again, nothing more than usual, ditto with Scotland. There are always more deaths in the Winter - many due to drivers not driving in accordance with road conditions.

Disagree....Cars and gritter wagons etc, buried to the roof in Winter happens on rare occasions. But I don't ever recall it happening in Spring.

[Alikado]

Disagree....Cars and gritter wagons etc, buried to the roof in Winter happens on rare occasions. But I don't ever recall it happening in Spring.

Spring doesn't start until the Equinox at the end of March.

[Toodles McGinty]

There has been climate change every year since Earth came into existence - but it is only recently that people have had to pay taxes for it. The model that they use to predict future changes has been unsuccessful in producing past changes in climate - so pretty useless really.

You pay tax on climate change? How odd. We will pay, no doubt about it. Mainly with lives. Plus mass migration, rising food prices and such.

As far as 'models' are concerned, they really don't need them to look to the past. They just need science. Science that measures temperatures, ice cover, weather changes, and facts. It is blindingly obvious that anthropogenic climate change is happening now.

[Home-Slice]

There has been climate change every year since Earth came into existence - but it is only recently that people have had to pay taxes for it. The model that they use to predict future changes has been unsuccessful in producing past changes in climate - so pretty useless really.

No one denies the earths climate has always changed with many heating and cooling events in its history. The Sun, Orbital forcing and C02 levels have been among the primary drivers in the past.
But in the here and now the records show that the last few thousand years the carbon cycle has been in relative equilibrium, with the C02 produced by nature being absorbed back by natural carbon sinks.
However the C02 produced by man in not being fully absorbed back into nature and this addition is accumulating in the atmosphere leading to warming. This warming is then amplified by positive feedback mechanisms (water vapor, Albedo effect etc).
So your point that the climate has always changed is redundant.

[said]

You pay tax on climate change? How odd. We will pay, no doubt about it. Mainly with lives. Plus mass migration, rising food prices and such.

As far as 'models' are concerned, they really don't need them to look to the past. They just need science. Science that measures temperatures, ice cover, weather changes, and facts. It is blindingly obvious that anthropogenic climate change is happening now.

Where to start? Due to the claimed 'Climate Change' for which there is absolutely no evidence whatever - introduced now has been additional costs for motorists with regard to Road Tax Emissions, higher charges in Domestic Fuel with regard to Green Initiatives, increased profits from Rubbish Disposal all classed under the Carbon Footprint category - then there are the additional expenses passed on to the public for Chemical Regulating departments for any industry involved in chemicals, etc., each of these involve an added cost to the general public.

The chemicals in the environment at present are only a tiny fraction of the chemicals that were present as the Planet was evolving with volcanic action on a prolific scale, that caused so much pollution that the sun's rays were unable to penetrate for many hundreds of years, resulting in almost the entire planet to ice over. Two thirds of the planet comprises of water, barely one third is land mass. How climate is created is a very complex event involving sea and air movements, which in turn depend on another complex set of events, those events depend on other events until climate becomes a chaotic system. Several times throughout human existence, there have been many ice ages - some very large others regional and in between there has been a huge variety of various climates and weather conditions. The weather and climate have only been reliably logged since the 18th Century about two hundred years only, but there is ample evidence to show how climates have changed from the beginning of time. Fossils, plants, trees, coal, ships logs, human settlements, etc.,

If you are a scientist, paid by the Government to find evidence of Global Warming - you would not like to lose your job by claiming that there is no evidence. On the other hand, there are far more scientists who do not work for the government who will thoroughly disagree with the claim.

As Forbes reports "Another interesting aspect of this new survey is that it reports on the beliefs of scientists themselves rather than bureaucrats who often publish alarmist statements without polling their member scientists. We now have meteorologists, geoscientists and engineers all reporting that they are sceptics of an asserted global warming crisis, yet the bureaucrats of these organizations frequently suck up to the media and suck up to government grant providers by trying to tell us the opposite of what their scientist members actually believe."

Lastly - Germanic people refuse to support Nuclear Power Stations - instead they have been steadily opening up more coal mines for domestic fuel purposes. The mines produce brown coal which when burnt is far more polluting than Black coal. In Germany, the cost of domestic fuel is far less than it is in the UK.

[Albion102]

Where to start? Due to the claimed 'Climate Change' for which there is absolutely no evidence whatever - introduced now has been additional costs for motorists with regard to Road Tax Emissions, higher charges in Domestic Fuel with regard to Green Initiatives, increased profits from Rubbish Disposal all classed under the Carbon Footprint category - then there are the additional expenses passed on to the public for Chemical Regulating departments for any industry involved in chemicals, etc., each of these involve an added cost to the general public.

The chemicals in the environment at present are only a tiny fraction of the chemicals that were present as the Planet was evolving with volcanic action on a prolific scale, that caused so much pollution that the sun's rays were unable to penetrate for many hundreds of years, resulting in almost the entire planet to ice over.

There is a great deal of evidence that the climate is changing, I think you are actually referring to whether climate is being impacted by man made emissions. At present, around 97% of scientists working in the field of climate agree that there is man made climate change. I don't think you understand the nature of scientists of scientific research. The vast majority of climate change deniers have no scientific expertise. If you think you have a health condition, would you visit a physician or call Donald Trump or Nigel Lawson ?

As far as chemicals go, you are quite right, before life evolved on earth, conditions were not suitable for life. The elemental composition of the earth is virtually identical to what is was back then. However, the thing about elements is how they are arranged as chemicals. If you rearrange the atoms in a pork chop (not a trivial exercise) into Botulinium toxin, you could create enough poison to kill the population of Manchester. That's why we don't do it.