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    Labelling for potential food allergies

    IF you have a food allergy that when triggered can cause an anaphylactic shock, why take a chance and buy food or snacks from takeaways etc.

    Why take a chance that something could be either mislabelled or a vital ingredient not included.





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    You can never be 100% certain of any food's allergen content unless you have made it from scratch yourself.

    In the case of a sandwich: No guarantee that the bread wasn't baked in proximity to an allergen. No guarantee that the knife used to cut it wasn't previously used on an allergen. No guarantee that the person making the sandwich hasn't previously touched an allergen. In the case of the most serious allergies that's all it takes.

    If I had a serious allergy to something like nuts, sesame, etc. I'd be making my own bread and my own sandwiches. I appreciate this isn't an option when you're travelling, but I don't see how any retailer can ever 100% guarantee a lack of allergens in a mixed ingredient item like a sandwich.

    My heart absolutely goes out to the parents of the young girl who died on the plane and better labelling is essential to try to avoid a repeat of this, but you're never going to have a totally failsafe system.
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    Especially difficult to keep stuff separate in small on-site kitchens that produce fresh food for immediate consumption rather than sterile factories where production lines can be clearly separated.

    Dreadfully sad situation for the family, but I think they did take an unnecessary risk as they were clearly aware of how Pret operates and that this kind of small scale production can never be 100% free from cross contamination.

    I just hope we don't get anything too heavy handed now that means 2 day old sandwiches inspected and transported from factories instead of what, for most people, is a much better and fresher experience.

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    its an absolute and heartfelt tradgedy.but how far do we go to circumvate every possible issue that can happen in our daily lifes consmable purchases.everything carrys a risk .we only have to look at our medicines for some there a relief .and others a potential poisen. that's an assumption of risk the big pharma operates on.but maybe we should be asking why is this allergy phenomena becoming more prevalent in todays society in the first place,in order to prevent or reduce such unfortunate tradgedys happening in the future.if whats being purveyed as safe for consumption then it should be safe ultimately for all/

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    I am guessing family's feel somewhat safer with avoiding the allergy and carrying an EpiPen.

    EpiPen
    1.Epinephrine will usually begin to have an effect in a few minutes, which is important for a medication given for a life-threatening condition (anaphylaxis).
    2.There are several ways to administer Epinephrine. It is agreed upon that the most beneficial method is to inject it into the thigh muscle.
    3.Epipen is used to treat anaphylactic shock regardless of the allergy that caused it. No matter which allergen caused the shock, anaphylaxis is the same for all people (it is an immunologic reaction of the human body). Therefore, whether it is caused by exposure to latex, bee sting, milk etc., a person in anaphylactic shock should receive the proper dose of Epinephrine as soon as possible (there is an adult dose of 0.3 mg and a child dose of 0.15 mg).
    4.For the actual method of administration inject the medication, HOLD IT IN for 10 seconds and then pull the injector out).

    There is some debate on whether the standard needle length in EpiPens are long enough for the variation in patients and need to reach the muscle to work.

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    Agree with other posters on this thread. So, so sad. I have never had to use my EpiPen, but am now feeling a little less confidence in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    I am guessing family's feel somewhat safer with avoiding the allergy and carrying an EpiPen.

    EpiPen
    1.Epinephrine will usually begin to have an effect in a few minutes, which is important for a medication given for a life-threatening condition (anaphylaxis).
    2.There are several ways to administer Epinephrine. It is agreed upon that the most beneficial method is to inject it into the thigh muscle.
    3.Epipen is used to treat anaphylactic shock regardless of the allergy that caused it. No matter which allergen caused the shock, anaphylaxis is the same for all people (it is an immunologic reaction of the human body). Therefore, whether it is caused by exposure to latex, bee sting, milk etc., a person in anaphylactic shock should receive the proper dose of Epinephrine as soon as possible (there is an adult dose of 0.3 mg and a child dose of 0.15 mg).
    4.For the actual method of administration inject the medication, HOLD IT IN for 10 seconds and then pull the injector out).

    There is some debate on whether the standard needle length in EpiPens are long enough for the variation in patients and need to reach the muscle to work.



    The dad did have 2 EpiPens and used them. They were ineffective because the needles were too short.

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    So maybe we should be looking at the EpiPens problems ? Up the dosage, or make the needles longer ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainydaze View Post
    So maybe we should be looking at the EpiPens problems ? Up the dosage, or make the needles longer ?
    Must admit I though the same thing. I'd have said that was a bigger issue than the sandwich having a label on it.
    When you have an allergy like this, it would be nice to know the antidote could actually be administered properly.

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    EpiPens save lives so it is not the only factor.

    Unfortunately other causes may be the problem.

    Using the injection too late in anaphylaxis.

    Administering the EpiPen at the wrong angle or through too thick
    clothing.

    Administering without waiting long enough for the adrenaline to reach the muscle.

    A stranger administering an EpiPen in an emergency not familiar with the product usage or even inadequate self administration during an attack.

    https://www.wikihow.com/Use-an-Epipen

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    Quote Originally Posted by dav View Post
    The dad did have 2 EpiPens and used them. They were ineffective because the needles were too short.


    That child's case is so upsetting I am trying to focus on prevention.

    One of the problems with severe allergy is understanding the disease itself.
    'Sensitisation'.
    One can come into contact with an allergen and get some of the symptoms such as swelling itchy throat.
    The second contact maybe much much worse sensitization doubled.
    That is often when treatment like an EpiPen is suggested.

    Sometimes a victim can go years avoiding and escaping an attack.
    It would be easy to be complacent.

    Patients are warned the most at risk group is the school leavers/university.

    Sensitization can be severe even after a long period of avoidance of the cause that is the nature of the disease.

    A condition with so much adversary in an attack needs a lot of non adverse conditions to raise the odds of survival.

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