J Holey Lord Street

[joan ofarc]

Looking for help from anyone with a long memory over on the Southport Past forum.

All ideas gratefully received, thanks.

[Hamble]

Looking for help from anyone with a long memory over on the Southport Past forum.

All ideas gratefully received, thanks.

Regent House 301 Lord Street.

http://blog.theatkinson.co.uk/volunt...dian-receipts/

[Hamble]

The Lord Street numbers occupied by Boothroyds which may help with dating if anyone knew when it opened.

[joan ofarc]

Thanks, Hamble. The blog you kindly provided the link for says that Holey's is now Debenhams, not Boothroyds. So I am trying to pin down the location and a possible date for an item of clothing I am researching. I know the numers for buildings along Lord Street have changed often
Very helpful though, thanks.

[said]

The Lord Street numbers occupied by Boothroyds which may help with dating if anyone knew when it opened.

All I found was that Boothroyd's was classed as a Drapers and its company dates were listed as 19th/20th century.

(Aside. Found this while I was searching - made me smile:
Southport’s status in local government terms has changed over the years: in 1866 it became a municipal borough, with a good degree of self-governance; in 1915 it was large enough to qualify as a county borough, thus became more independent of Lancashire ; but when more tinkering in 1971 threatened it with losing most of that independence as it was about to be rolled under Lancashire control, it instead opted to join with Merseyside, retaining control of services like education, though this union has occasionally been an uneasy one, Southport’s gentility contrasting at times with certain other parts of that wider district.) Cough!Cough!

[said]

Looking for help from anyone with a long memory over on the Southport Past forum.

All ideas gratefully received, thanks.

Earley map might help.... 1938 Southport

[said]

Thanks, Hamble. The blog you kindly provided the link for says that Holey's is now Debenhams, not Boothroyds. So I am trying to pin down the location and a possible date for an item of clothing I am researching. I know the numers for buildings along Lord Street have changed often
Very helpful though, thanks.

I hope you are not in the mind to return the item, are you?

Damn, just as I got the date for Boothroyds (1896) now you want Debenhams date ! Typical, I bet you are female!

[Hamble]

I hope you are not in the mind to return the item, are you?

Damn, just as I got the date for Boothroyds (1896) now you want Debenhams date ! Typical, I bet you are female!

Come on Sherlock.

[seivad]

Thanks, Hamble. The blog you kindly provided the link for says that Holey's is now Debenhams, not Boothroyds. So I am trying to pin down the location and a possible date for an item of clothing I am researching. I know the numers for buildings along Lord Street have changed often
Very helpful though, thanks.

I don't know if this helps you or not, but Debenhams' premises on Lord St. used to be Marshall & Snelgrove. I'm not sure of the exact date they opened in Southport, but the ad. below is from 1935.

[joan ofarc]

Thanks for the responses so far. The Atkinson has a receipt from J Holey's dating to the Edwardian period so it must be pre 1930s, although possibly still going strong then.
I think I am going to have to hit the street guides!

This is the item I am trying to research. Could be part of a uniform or just a fashion item. Does anyone recognise it? The style is not the sort that can be easily dated but the family story is that it belonged to a grandmother so probably older than late 20th century.

[joan ofarc]

I hope you are not in the mind to return the item, are you?

Damn, just as I got the date for Boothroyds (1896) now you want Debenhams date ! Typical, I bet you are female!

Nope, not returning it. Your chauvanistic response is meant to be funny I suppose.

[Hamble]

Thanks for the responses so far. The Atkinson has a receipt from J Holey's dating to the Edwardian period so it must be pre 1930s, although possibly still going strong then.
I think I am going to have to hit the street guides!

This is the item I am trying to research. Could be part of a uniform or just a fashion item. Does anyone recognise it? The style is not the sort that can be easily dated but the family story is that it belonged to a grandmother so probably older than late 20th century.

Looking at your photo I would guess the cloak to be fashion trend as the front is shorter than the back.

Has a military style/influence collar and buttons that do not look antique.

I found this link to fashions in cloaks and thought it may help.

http://www.fashion-era.com/Coats_his...ry_4.htm#1920s Mantle Cloaks.

[joan ofarc]

Thanks again, Hamble. That was a very interesting site. I have bookmarked it.
I agree about the buttons. Maybe they have been changed from the originals.
The search goes on.

[Hamble]

Thanks again, Hamble. That was a very interesting site. I have bookmarked it.
I agree about the buttons. Maybe they have been changed from the originals.
The search goes on.

Thank you for an interesting thread.

Good luck with your quest.

[seivad]

Thanks for the responses so far. The Atkinson has a receipt from J Holey's dating to the Edwardian period so it must be pre 1930s, although possibly still going strong then.
I think I am going to have to hit the street guides!

It could be the Debenham's building. I've since found out that it was built at the turn of the 20th century. The receipt on Hamble's blog link is dated 1897, and you say the Atkinson has a receipt from the Edwardian era, so that would fit.

I've also found out that Marshall & Snelgrove didn't establish a Southport branch until after 1925, so someone else occupied the premises beforehand.

The Boothroyds building was originally several shops which were integrated at a later date. The earliest part of the building bears the letters "Founded 1823". It's also possible that J. Holey occupied one of these shops.

The only thing I can tell you for sure, is that J.Holey's wasn't around when I was growing up in the 50s! I love this kind of stuff... please keep us in the loop about what you find out.

This is the item I am trying to research. Could be part of a uniform or just a fashion item. Does anyone recognise it? The style is not the sort that can be easily dated but the family story is that it belonged to a grandmother so probably older than late 20th century.

I'm no expert, but the way it's styled with the front of the cape being shorter than the back, makes me think it may be 1920s.