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Frank Field MP
Well done Frank Field in telling it as it is and resigning from the Labour Party on account of its anti-Semitism and virulent hatred. Frank was one of only a handful of honest people, committed to serving the working classes, left in Momentum/Corbyn's nasty extremist party.
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Originally Posted by dav
Well done Frank Field in telling it as it is and resigning from the Labour Party on account of its anti-Semitism and virulent hatred. Frank was one of only a handful of honest people, committed to serving the working classes, left in Momentum/Corbyn's nasty extremist party.
Politics is a dirty business but credit to Field for his principles.
REST IN PEACE THE 96.
Y.N.W.A.
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Originally Posted by grassroots
Politics is a dirty business but credit to Field for his principles.
.... or is he engineering his exit before expulsion?
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He was just on the BBC. He continued to back Corbyn and he acknowledged that criticism of Israel's actions should not be viewed as 'antisemitic'. This is the problem, it seems, for many.
However, this matter should have been put to bed a long time ago. Corbyn should have been seen to stamp out this poison at the grass roots. Next week's vote on the IHRA's definition should have been held a long time ago.
Antisemitic members should be booted out of the party. If the IHRA terms are not accepted entirely, then so be it. If it leaves no room for criticism of the actions of the Israeli government, then frankly I understand why it cannot be wholly accepted. As I've said many times, there is a huge difference between being antisemitic, anti-Zionist and anti-Israel's actions in Gaza. For example, the Irish government isn't seen as antisemitic simply because they want to ban Israeli products which are produced in the occupied Palestinian territories.
Corbyn needs to state emphatically his and the party's stance. This whole matter has been allowed to grow beyond control. Much as I am believer in Corbyn's principals, if he can't lead a unified party, then he must be replaced.
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Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty
He was just on the BBC. He continued to back Corbyn and he acknowledged that criticism of Israel's actions should not be viewed as 'antisemitic'. This is the problem, it seems, for many.
However, this matter should have been put to bed a long time ago. Corbyn should have been seen to stamp out this poison at the grass roots. Next week's vote on the IHRA's definition should have been held a long time ago.
Antisemitic members should be booted out of the party. If the IHRA terms are not accepted entirely, then so be it. If it leaves no room for criticism of the actions of the Israeli government, then frankly I understand why it cannot be wholly accepted. As I've said many times, there is a huge difference between being antisemitic, anti-Zionist and anti-Israel's actions in Gaza. For example, the Irish government isn't seen as antisemitic simply because they want to ban Israeli products which are produced in the occupied Palestinian territories.
Corbyn needs to state emphatically his and the party's stance. This whole matter has been allowed to grow beyond control. Much as I am believer in Corbyn's principals, if he can't lead a unified party, then he must be replaced.
Politician's should never be biased. There is a situation in many cities where Jewish families have established businesses and quietly go about their own affairs - but in those cities the same people put up with abuse from Muslim communities. They do complain from time to time to the authorities. If the authorities act for one or the other of these communities, it could be viewed as favouritism and it is a difficult situation.
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Wonder why he's resigned when the likes of Ellman, Berger, Hodge and Miliband have not....strange one that, well, maybe not so strange!
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Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty
He was just on the BBC. He continued to back Corbyn and he acknowledged that criticism of Israel's actions should not be viewed as 'antisemitic'. This is the problem, it seems, for many.
However, this matter should have been put to bed a long time ago. Corbyn should have been seen to stamp out this poison at the grass roots. Next week's vote on the IHRA's definition should have been held a long time ago.
Antisemitic members should be booted out of the party. If the IHRA terms are not accepted entirely, then so be it. If it leaves no room for criticism of the actions of the Israeli government, then frankly I understand why it cannot be wholly accepted. As I've said many times, there is a huge difference between being antisemitic, anti-Zionist and anti-Israel's actions in Gaza. For example, the Irish government isn't seen as antisemitic simply because they want to ban Israeli products which are produced in the occupied Palestinian territories.
Corbyn needs to state emphatically his and the party's stance. This whole matter has been allowed to grow beyond control. Much as I am believer in Corbyn's principals, if he can't lead a unified party, then he must be replaced.
My views entirely
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Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty
He was just on the BBC. He continued to back Corbyn and he acknowledged that criticism of Israel's actions should not be viewed as 'antisemitic'. This is the problem, it seems, for many.
However, this matter should have been put to bed a long time ago. Corbyn should have been seen to stamp out this poison at the grass roots. Next week's vote on the IHRA's definition should have been held a long time ago.
Antisemitic members should be booted out of the party. If the IHRA terms are not accepted entirely, then so be it. If it leaves no room for criticism of the actions of the Israeli government, then frankly I understand why it cannot be wholly accepted. As I've said many times, there is a huge difference between being antisemitic, anti-Zionist and anti-Israel's actions in Gaza. For example, the Irish government isn't seen as antisemitic simply because they want to ban Israeli products which are produced in the occupied Palestinian territories.
Corbyn needs to state emphatically his and the party's stance. This whole matter has been allowed to grow beyond control. Much as I am believer in Corbyn's principals, if he can't lead a unified party, then he must be replaced.
There is nothing in the IHRA definition which precludes criticism of the Israeli government or its actions. Corbynites who claim to the contrary do so quite simply because they know many of the statements and actions of those close to the leadership fall into the IHRA definition of antisemitism. As to the term 'Zionist', Chakrabarti herself said that the term for many in the party has come to be coded language for 'Jew'. Corbyn accepts that its use should be avoided, and the literal definition of Zionism in this context becomes an irrelevance.
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