Fire safety

[grassroots]

It's been established that many tower blocks in the UK are clad with combustible materials , land lords are being told to replace the material after the recent London fire

[said]

It's been established that many tower blocks in the UK are clad with combustible materials , land lords are being told to replace the material after the recent London fire

Considering that this type of cladding is still being sold and used, that it must have had to conform to all Health and Safety Regs, that the facts of the Grenfell fire have not been established, and the fact that every building is thoroughly inspected for Insurance purposes - such action would appear to be premature.

[grassroots]

Considering that this type of cladding is still being sold and used, that it must have had to conform to all Health and Safety Regs, that the facts of the Grenfell fire have not been established, and the fact that every building is thoroughly inspected for Insurance purposes - such action would appear to be premature.

Fire prevention /safety should never be said to be premature .

[Styx]

Fire prevention /safety should never be said to be premature .

Apportioning blame before the facts are established,is premature.

[grassroots]

Apportioning blame before the facts are established,is premature.

Have I apportioned blame .

[silver fox]

Apportioning blame before the facts are established,is premature.

Already samples from a number of tower blocks have been tested, 7 have been found to contain flammable or indeed dangerous material, a councilor from Camden stated that they have already started to remove cladding from 2 blocks, also alleged that the supplier did not deliver materials to the standard requested, (that could get serious)

[silver fox]

Considering that this type of cladding is still being sold and used, that it must have had to conform to all Health and Safety Regs, that the facts of the Grenfell fire have not been established, and the fact that every building is thoroughly inspected for Insurance purposes - such action would appear to be premature.

There is doubt as to whether these panels did conform to current regulation, a number of panels from tower blocks have failed badly under actual fire tests, in other words failed to meet the standards.

When people die from a totally avoidable cause in a horrible manner, action is not premature, or must we wait for another fire or two, before we decide that possibly these panels are not suitable?

[Styx]

Have I apportioned blame .

Sorry...I misunderstood what you were saying.

[grassroots]

Sorry...I misunderstood what you were saying.

no problem .

[Albion102]

When people die from a totally avoidable cause in a horrible manner, action is not premature, or must we wait for another fire or two, before we decide that possibly these panels are not suitable?

No and action is clearly not waiting for the outcome of the public enquiry.

If amusement can be gained from such a tragic situation, then the reaction of the "normal" residents of the posh flats in Kensington where they are rehousing residents from Grenfell Tower is priceless.

[grassroots]

Five tower blocks in Camden North London are being evacuated tonight as a result of being found unsafe . Residents given 2hours notice . 800 families involved .

[said]

Already samples from a number of tower blocks have been tested, 7 have been found to contain flammable or indeed dangerous material, a councilor from Camden stated that they have already started to remove cladding from 2 blocks, also alleged that the supplier did not deliver materials to the standard requested, (that could get serious)

They all contain flammable material except for a few brands containing wool fibres. The plastic in the core of the cladding is sealed in with sheets of aluminium of various thicknesses. For the cladding to have caught alight it would need a very fierce fire from within the building, it would not have been the cause of a fire. By the way - also check the refrigerant in your fridge. This was changed in response to the 'Ozone Layer' issue, and there are millions of these fridges worldwide. I understand that Beko are recalling theirs because of a faulty thermostat possibly sparking and causing explosions.

[silver fox]

They all contain flammable material except for a few brands containing wool fibres. The plastic in the core of the cladding is sealed in with sheets of aluminium of various thicknesses. For the cladding to have caught alight it would need a very fierce fire from within the building, it would not have been the cause of a fire. By the way - also check the refrigerant in your fridge. This was changed in response to the 'Ozone Layer' issue, and there are millions of these fridges worldwide. I understand that Beko are recalling theirs because of a faulty thermostat possibly sparking and causing explosions.

Not exactly the full story, take a look at the suppliers and manufacturers of these panels, they all produce a range of panels with varying degrees of insulation, weather protection and fire resistance, even on their sites there are recommendations not to use certain panels on buildings above 15 to 18 metres, they all produce panels with a high resistance to fire.

I am aware as are many others that there are growing concerns of materials used in fridge/freezers, indeed in many "white goods", but most problems arise from electrical faults, as also apparently the fridge/freezer concerned in the Grenfell tragedy.

The concern is that the fire was not contained within the flat and spread rapidly through the external panels.

[Alikado]

Hotpoint seem to be in a panic, on one hand they say there has never been problems with that model and in the next breath its urgent checks and recalls. Apparently in the US fridges are constructed differently with a metal back.
The problem with cladding is the Aluminium outer which has been used for its weight saving properties which as every schoolboy knows is highly flammable.

[Albion102]

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The problem with cladding is the Aluminium outer which has been used for its weight saving properties which as every schoolboy knows is highly flammable.

Whereas every Chemistry graduate knows that aluminium is anything but in solid form. Aluminium reacts very quickly with oxygen to form an invisible film which then inhibits corrosion and burning. Mix up the powder with an oxydising agent and it is a different matter.