Esther McVey

[silver fox]

The only thing you have on me TM.

To be fair most of the 8 years have been spent clearing up/recovering/damage limitation and cowering from terrorism after a Socialist Government.

I take it recovering means our economy, the value of our currency, the social problems, the emergency services, the military, local government services, all going down the pan to the sound of cash flowing into the pockets of speculators, hedge fund weasels, tax dodging multi-nationals, then I suppose you're right.

[Desert Region]

Well Hamble for one

I'm not trawling through the forum looking for other examples, I have neither the time nor the inclination. Although you're welcome to do so.

You shouldn't need the time nor the inclination to trawl through the forum.

You would only need those things if you couldn't, actually, remember the names of the other posters responsible.

So far you've just come up with one poster: Hamble.

On here it almost always goes back to New Labour or Gordon Brown single handedly bringing about a global crash that's responsible for everything wrong with government since 2010.

You know and speak of how "on here it almost always goes back to New Labour or Gordon Brown...since 2010" but you can only name one poster as being responsible for all of that, over that lengthy course of time.

Somehow, so far, you can't remember any of the other poster's names: and this is something which, so far, casts Hamble as the poster single-handedly responsible for all of that.

[Toodles McGinty]

You shouldn't need the time nor the inclination to trawl through the forum.

You would only need those things if you couldn't, actually, remember the names of the other posters responsible.

So far you've just come up with one poster: Hamble.



You know and speak of how "on here it almost always goes back to New Labour or Gordon Brown...since 2010" but you can only name one poster as being responsible for all of that, over that lengthy course of time.

Somehow, so far, you can't remember any of the other poster's names: and this is something which, so far, casts Hamble as the poster single-handedly responsible for all of that.

Give over. As I said, I'm not trawling through every thread and just because there is 'whataboutery' on here, doesn't mean I've listed every poster in a little book, ready to expose them. It isn't that important.

As far as Hamble is concerned, she's a big girl with a sense of humour. She and I often have a Tory / Labour debate. It's fun and means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

You offered a prime example of whataboutery on this thread. Get over it.

[Desert Region]

Give over. As I said, I'm not trawling through every thread and just because there is 'whataboutery' on here, doesn't mean I've listed every poster in a little book, ready to expose them. It isn't that important.

As far as Hamble is concerned, she's a big girl with a sense of humour. She and I often have a Tory / Labour debate. It's fun and means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

You offered a prime example of whataboutery on this thread. Get over it.

Again, there would be no need to search through or trawl through every thread!

And why would you have had to have "a little book" to have listed down the other posters' names? There's clearly been a lot, then? .

Just: who have been these posters?

On here it almost always goes back to New Labour or Gordon Brown single handedly bringing about a global crash that's responsible for everything wrong with government since 2010.

Yet, so far, you're unable to remember and name any other poster!

To what do you attribute what seems to be your ongoing memory loss on this?

[gazaprop]

Again, there would be no need to search through or trawl through every thread!

And why would you have had to have "a little book" to have listed down the other posters' names? There's clearly been a lot, then? .

Just: who have been these posters?



Yet, so far, you're unable to remember and name any other poster!

To what do you attribute what seems to be your ongoing memory loss on this?

Ok - enough now - TG has 'whatabouteried' me and I've 'whatabouteried' TG. There's another one for you - can we move on or do I need the naughty step?

[Desert Region]

Ok - enough now - TG has 'whatabouteried' me and I've 'whatabouteried' TG. There's another one for you - can we move on or do I need the naughty step?

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In a few posts above, Toodles says there can be fun in having a discussion with a poster with whom there is often a lack of agreement.

Also, you only have to look at Toodles first few, and lengthy, posts on this thread to see that Toodles is fine with being in a discussion.


I don't understand how Toodles, so far, can't remember the posters' names on here, re:

"On here it almost always goes back to New Labour or Gordon Brown single handedly bringing about a global crash that's responsible for everything wrong with government since 2010."


For example, a couple of years ago, on here, there was one poster (subsequently banned for wild and vile accusations re another poster) who would unremittingly question another poster (who nowadays seems to only occasionally post on this site's News story comment sections) re the "Ottoman Empire" and re something about "slavery," "enslavement," "the whole Muslim world," and the "18th and 19th centuries." It went something like that!

There must have been dozens upon dozens upon dozens of threads over month after month after month that inevitably became that one poster questioning the other about those subjects. Most often, of course, those threads had previously contained virtually no content that connected in any discernible way to the subjects being introduced by the questioning poster.

As a side note, I don't happen to recall Toodles objecting about this happening to thread after thread after thread over month after month after month. It must be that Toodles wasn't posting during that period...

The two posters in question were chirpy cockney and local.

(This was before chirpy cockney and the poster name used by her husband were both banned. Well, chirpy cockney was banned while her husband's poster name and account was removed (or anyhow downgraded to "Guest" status)).

I should suggest that most anyone who posted around this prior-mentioned period will have remembered, or been close to remembering, (before I mentioned their names) that the two posters involved were, as I said, chirpy cockney and local.


It's difficult to understand why Toodles cannot remember, so far, the posters' names on here, re:

"On here it almost always goes back to New Labour or Gordon Brown single handedly bringing about a global crash that's responsible for everything wrong with government since 2010."

And so I asked Toodles: To what do you attribute what seems to be your ongoing memory loss on this?

[Toodles McGinty]

Seriously, you're becoming obsessed now.

I've already stated that I'm not going back over threads. I'm not, so what? Get a grip.

You do understand this is a discussion forum, not some kind of court where you can demand answers, don't you? It is people sat behind a keyboard, anonymously posting opinions.

I've stated my opinion. You can like it or stick it where the sun don't shine, I really don't care which. If it happens again, I'll draw your attention to it, how about that?

I accused you of whataboutery. You admitted you did it. As far as I am concerned, that's the discussion over with. If you wish to keep posting about this, that's your prerogative. But I really think it would be healthier for you to move on.

Or not. Keep clicking away if it keeps you happy.

[Hamble]

You do realise of course that Pimlico Plumbers are yet another of these dodgy operators whose "employees" are self employed when it suits the company yet supposedly employed when it comes to their work load or opportunities, have lost one test case which will apply to most of their workforce over employee rights.

Of course along the way dodging PAYE, NI, and considerable VAT, perfectly expected to be Tory supporters and anti Labour.

I doubt it.

Quote

"Sidney Charles Mullins was born in October 1952,the son of a factory worker father and a bartender and cleaner mother. When he was born, they "lived in a couple of rooms in Camden", before moving to the Rockingham Estate in London's Elephant and Castle, where he grew up, and left school at 15 with no qualifications...………………..

In January 2018, Mullins announced that he would no longer be a Tory Party donor, and declared his candidacy as an independent at the London mayoral election, 2020. In March 2018, Mullins said he would financially support the Liberal Democrats to support their campaign to prevent Brexit."

[silver fox]

I doubt it.

Quote

"Sidney Charles Mullins was born in October 1952,the son of a factory worker father and a bartender and cleaner mother. When he was born, they "lived in a couple of rooms in Camden", before moving to the Rockingham Estate in London's Elephant and Castle, where he grew up, and left school at 15 with no qualifications...………………..

In January 2018, Mullins announced that he would no longer be a Tory Party donor, and declared his candidacy as an independent at the London mayoral election, 2020. In March 2018, Mullins said he would financially support the Liberal Democrats to support their campaign to prevent Brexit."

I've read the little guy done good story, the facts are very simple some 300 employees were declared as self employed by this company when in fact they were all fully employed by the company, wearing company marked clothing, driving company liveried vehicles and not free to take on any other employment, 2 test cases to date have found the company to be in contravention of employee law, dodging VAT, NI contributions and of course dodging holiday pay, sick pay, cases of "redundancy" brought about by long term sickness or injury.

Probably dropped his donations to the Tories about the time when he discovered that even his friends couldn't give him dispensation from the law.

The workforce were not underpaid, but don't get hurt or sick because then they would be discarded like an old sock.

[Hamble]

I've read the little guy done good story, the facts are very simple some 300 employees were declared as self employed by this company when in fact they were all fully employed by the company, wearing company marked clothing, driving company liveried vehicles and not free to take on any other employment, 2 test cases to date have found the company to be in contravention of employee law, dodging VAT, NI contributions and of course dodging holiday pay, sick pay, cases of "redundancy" brought about by long term sickness or injury.

Probably dropped his donations to the Tories about the time when he discovered that even his friends couldn't give him dispensation from the law.

The workforce were not underpaid, but don't get hurt or sick because then they would be discarded like an old sock.

Seivad posted the link to Mr Mullins.
I don't think my link was the same firm.

Don't agree with his bad practices though.

[Desert Region]

Seriously, you're becoming obsessed now.

I've already stated that I'm not going back over threads. I'm not, so what? Get a grip.

You do understand this is a discussion forum, not some kind of court where you can demand answers, don't you? It is people sat behind a keyboard, anonymously posting opinions.

I've stated my opinion. You can like it or stick it where the sun don't shine, I really don't care which. If it happens again, I'll draw your attention to it, how about that?

I accused you of whataboutery. You admitted you did it. As far as I am concerned, that's the discussion over with. If you wish to keep posting about this, that's your prerogative. But I really think it would be healthier for you to move on.

Or not. Keep clicking away if it keeps you happy.

"Seriously, you're becoming obsessed now."

If this quantifies your measure of an obsession you obviously were not an active poster during the lengthy period chirpy cockney chased local around the forum, across what seemed at times to be the majority of threads. If you actually were an active poster through that time, then it now seems to have been remiss of you not to have also labelled that behaviour as an obsession. Though, perhaps your measure of obsession has drastically altered in the length of a couple of years.


"I've already stated that I'm not going back over threads. I'm not, so what? Get a grip."

You've already stated what, but are definitely not willing to state who - with the exception of naming Hamble.


"Well Hamble for one, God love her, could turn a thread about plumbing into 'Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser'."

"Most threads that criticise the actions of the government end up with toddlers stamping their feet shouting 'but but but they did this'. Or drag up New Labour from 15 years ago. Or Gordon Brown caused a global financial crisis all on his own."

Thus, the one poster, here, you have infalitized is Hamble.


On the recent 'Corbyn .' thread you said, "All interest is lost, as obviously an exchange of opinions really can't get past that dummy spitting phrase."

More frustrated infant and toddler comparisons you reserve for other posters. Of course, you consider yourself as exempt from inclusion in your comparison.


"As far as Hamble is concerned, she's a big girl with a sense of humour."

Good of you to upgrade Hamble from a foot-stamping "toddler" to a humorous "big girl". It's certain you'll further upgrade her to an adult, sooner or later.


"I've stated my opinion. You can like it or stick it where the sun don't shine, I really don't care which."

Phrase
where the sun don't shine (chiefly US, idiomatic, euphemistic) Up or in the anus.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/where..._don%27t_shine

From frustrated toddler comparisons to suggestions to anally insert. You consider yourself as exempt from inclusion in your frustrated infant and toddler comparisons and anal insertion suggestions.


"I accused you of whataboutery. You admitted you did it."

No. You're mistaken again.


"If you wish to keep posting about this, that's your prerogative. But I really think it would be healthier for you to move on."

I can see that you may be a person to listen to on health and wellbeing advice, if only on the basis of your being what seems to be a cracking friend to your multiple impoverished friends - in their company and so telling their tales, as you have earlier in this thread, re their desperate daily labours.


"As far as I am concerned, that's the discussion over with."

Naturally, you will keep your promise.

[seivad]

"Seriously, you're becoming obsessed now."

If this quantifies your measure of an obsession you obviously were not an active poster during the lengthy period chirpy cockney chased local around the forum, across what seemed at times to be the majority of threads. If you actually were an active poster through that time, then it now seems to have been remiss of you not to have also labelled that behaviour as an obsession. Though, perhaps your measure of obsession has drastically altered in the length of a couple of years.


"I've already stated that I'm not going back over threads. I'm not, so what? Get a grip."

You've already stated what, but are definitely not willing to state who - with the exception of naming Hamble.


"Well Hamble for one, God love her, could turn a thread about plumbing into 'Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser'."

"Most threads that criticise the actions of the government end up with toddlers stamping their feet shouting 'but but but they did this'. Or drag up New Labour from 15 years ago. Or Gordon Brown caused a global financial crisis all on his own."

Thus, the one poster, here, you have infalitized is Hamble.


On the recent 'Corbyn .' thread you said, "All interest is lost, as obviously an exchange of opinions really can't get past that dummy spitting phrase."

More frustrated infant and toddler comparisons you reserve for other posters. Of course, you consider yourself as exempt from inclusion in your comparison.


"As far as Hamble is concerned, she's a big girl with a sense of humour."

Good of you to upgrade Hamble from a foot-stamping "toddler" to a humorous "big girl". It's certain you'll further upgrade her to an adult, sooner or later.


"I've stated my opinion. You can like it or stick it where the sun don't shine, I really don't care which."

Phrase
where the sun don't shine (chiefly US, idiomatic, euphemistic) Up or in the anus.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/where..._don%27t_shine

From frustrated toddler comparisons to suggestions to anally insert. You consider yourself as exempt from inclusion in your frustrated infant and toddler comparisons and anal insertion suggestions.


"I accused you of whataboutery. You admitted you did it."

No. You're mistaken again.


"If you wish to keep posting about this, that's your prerogative. But I really think it would be healthier for you to move on."

I can see that you may be a person to listen to on health and wellbeing advice, if only on the basis of your being what seems to be a cracking friend to your multiple impoverished friends - in their company and so telling their tales, as you have earlier in this thread, re their desperate daily labours.


"As far as I am concerned, that's the discussion over with."

Naturally, you will keep your promise.

Good grief! I knew immediately who you were referring to in your earlier post, long before you mentioned the names Chirpy & Local. This thread is becoming eerily reminiscent of their *ahem* debates.

[seivad]

Seivad posted the link to Mr Mullins.

As a joke!

[Desert Region]

Good grief! I knew immediately who you were referring to in your earlier post, long before you mentioned the names Chirpy & Local. This thread is becoming eerily reminiscent of their *ahem* debates.

Oh, I think that specific "debate" (to which I referred earlier) was maybe 12 months longer, a few hundred threads longer, and a couple of thousand posts longer than anything here. (Of course...that may be an underestimate! .)

I seem to recall a phase -or is that epoch- in that debate wherein one started to ask the other if there was, erm, a romantic element underpinning the debate!

I was reminded of that just the other week when the Forum's BNP member repeatedly asked me out on a date... .

[Hamble]

As a joke!

A rare gift to Team Tory.