Equality

[said]

It is necessary for almost everyone in the Private Sector to be able to pass Employment Tests suitable for the work that they are applying for.
The same does not apply to Public Service workers - none of whom are required to take such tests, nor have any prior experience or knowledge to the position that they are applying for.

Considering that many of the Public Administration workers have access to private and personal details, can be responsible for allocating benefits, can be responsible for legal issues, are in a position to apply for magistrates positions, can be instrumental in creating and applying procedures etc., work that does carry a level of responsibility and requires good credibility - surely it is even more important that Public workers in Administration, Council positions and Government - should have a high level of intelligence and some experience in the Private sector also?

[salus.populi]

It is necessary for almost everyone in the Private Sector to be able to pass Employment Tests suitable for the work that they are applying for.
The same does not apply to Public Service workers - none of whom are required to take such tests, nor have any prior experience or knowledge to the position that they are applying for.

Almost everyone in the private sector?
None at all in the public sector?
Do you have any proof of this? You're talking nonsense.

surely it is even more important that Public workers in Administration, Council positions and Government - should have a high level of intelligence and some experience in the Private sector also?

Many do.

In the interests of equality why are you not demanding that those in the private sector also have experience in the public sector?

Standards in the public sector are often far higher than those in the private sector which is proved when privatised public services frequently result in a poorer service.

[Little Londoner]

So what you are saying is that Everyone who gets a job in the "private" sector have experience and knowledge of the job they are applying for. I doubt that very much.

As for public service jobs I have taken and successfully passed both the Police and Fire Brigade entrance exams. As like most people with anything between their ears from being a young child I had a fair idea what the Police and Fire Brigade did but the reality was a whole lot more than you would imagine.

[Albion102]

What are these "employment tests" of which you speak ?

Do you seriously think that the public sector just hands out jobs without any assessment of suitability ? I think we need examples.

[silver fox]

Load of rubbish, how does anyone aquire experience in any position/job until they actually get a job.

This notion that only public sector workers in certain jobs have access to personal information is flawed badly, there are many positions in the private sector which have access to just as much personal information, sadly very often without the controls of the public sector.

[salus.populi]

I certainly wouldn't employ anyone who brags in public about having had 14 disciplinary hearings.

[Ceam]

I think he just posts this crap to see what reactions he can get.

[said]

So what you are saying is that Everyone who gets a job in the "private" sector have experience and knowledge of the job they are applying for. I doubt that very much.

As for public service jobs I have taken and successfully passed both the Police and Fire Brigade entrance exams. As like most people with anything between their ears from being a young child I had a fair idea what the Police and Fire Brigade did but the reality was a whole lot more than you would imagine.

I focussed on 'Administration' - I fully understand that the services do have to meet the necessary criteria.

[said]

What are these "employment tests" of which you speak ?

Do you seriously think that the public sector just hands out jobs without any assessment of suitability ? I think we need examples.

I could suggest, mathematical ability, correspondence, communication, efficiency etc., tests on how such people would react in given situations, how they would deal with situations, etc., of all the offices that I have dealt with, there have been the greatest problems in dealing with the public services. It has not been unusual to send repeat letters up to three or four times and to explain the most simple facts as you would to a child. Public servants do not have to make decisions - they merely have to follow set rules that are laid down for them. They do not have the challenges to face as in the private sector where there is the underlying importance that their work supports the economy. In both sectors, people remain in the establishment and become promoted to managerial positions - in the private sector, such managers are responsible for maintaining and attracting markets by far greater autonomy given to that of public servants. They are highly experienced at making decisions and resolving problems as they occur - whereas in the public sector there is less challenge, less responsibility and less knowledge required. Although the management in the public sector have to adhere to legislation as given to them - they do have to translate that legislation to their own local regions, this would appear to be where the system fails. Because job satisfaction is lower in the public sector several employees seek to satisfy their personal achievements by targeting positions that will award them enhanced power and do so by cronyism than by talent, which leads to increased inefficiency in the system. Such opportunities are far more rare in the private sector, and more usually attract specialist employees. Basically, in the private sector employees have to think and do a lot more on their own while in the public sector it is all laid out.

[salus.populi]

I could suggest, mathematical ability, correspondence, communication, efficiency etc., tests on how such people would react in given situations, how they would deal with situations, etc., of all the offices that I have dealt with, there have been the greatest problems in dealing with the public services. It has not been unusual to send repeat letters up to three or four times and to explain the most simple facts as you would to a child. Public servants do not have to make decisions - they merely have to follow set rules that are laid down for them. They do not have the challenges to face as in the private sector where there is the underlying importance that their work supports the economy. In both sectors, people remain in the establishment and become promoted to managerial positions - in the private sector, such managers are responsible for maintaining and attracting markets by far greater autonomy given to that of public servants. They are highly experienced at making decisions and resolving problems as they occur - whereas in the public sector there is less challenge, less responsibility and less knowledge required. Although the management in the public sector have to adhere to legislation as given to them - they do have to translate that legislation to their own local regions, this would appear to be where the system fails. Because job satisfaction is lower in the public sector several employees seek to satisfy their personal achievements by targeting positions that will award them enhanced power and do so by cronyism than by talent, which leads to increased inefficiency in the system. Such opportunities are far more rare in the private sector, and more usually attract specialist employees. Basically, in the private sector employees have to think and do a lot more on their own while in the public sector it is all laid out.

A lengthy but sweeping generalisation.

[silver fox]

I could suggest, mathematical ability, correspondence, communication, efficiency etc., tests on how such people would react in given situations, how they would deal with situations, etc., of all the offices that I have dealt with, there have been the greatest problems in dealing with the public services. It has not been unusual to send repeat letters up to three or four times and to explain the most simple facts as you would to a child. Public servants do not have to make decisions - they merely have to follow set rules that are laid down for them. They do not have the challenges to face as in the private sector where there is the underlying importance that their work supports the economy. In both sectors, people remain in the establishment and become promoted to managerial positions - in the private sector, such managers are responsible for maintaining and attracting markets by far greater autonomy given to that of public servants. They are highly experienced at making decisions and resolving problems as they occur - whereas in the public sector there is less challenge, less responsibility and less knowledge required. Although the management in the public sector have to adhere to legislation as given to them - they do have to translate that legislation to their own local regions, this would appear to be where the system fails. Because job satisfaction is lower in the public sector several employees seek to satisfy their personal achievements by targeting positions that will award them enhanced power and do so by cronyism than by talent, which leads to increased inefficiency in the system. Such opportunities are far more rare in the private sector, and more usually attract specialist employees. Basically, in the private sector employees have to think and do a lot more on their own while in the public sector it is all laid out.

Do you know anyone who works in the public sector? I could stand you in front of two ladies who may dispute your comments or more likely hand you your head on a plate.

Cronyism and knowing the "right" people works just as well in the private sector, plus I can also assure you that on too many occasions these extra smart people in a position to make decisions, have been known to make decisions beneficial to themselves rather than the company, before you get all hot under the collar, I worked purely in the private sector, but have family who have and still do work in the public sector.

[said]

Do you know anyone who works in the public sector? I could stand you in front of two ladies who may dispute your comments or more likely hand you your head on a plate.

Cronyism and knowing the "right" people works just as well in the private sector, plus I can also assure you that on too many occasions these extra smart people in a position to make decisions, have been known to make decisions beneficial to themselves rather than the company, before you get all hot under the collar, I worked purely in the private sector, but have family who have and still do work in the public sector.

I have undertaken several jobs in the Public Sector, but I much prefer the Private Sector, even on less pay. Have your family members also worked in the Private sector? Although, I must admit - there are several large corporations in the Private Sector now where the work ethics are similar to those in the Public domain. Such employment is not popular, the preference being given to small or medium sized concerns where the work programme is more interesting. You are absolutely right in saying that many decisions have been self serving - but that goes for both private and public employment.
Of course there are many exceptions to the general rule - Maureen Fearn stands as an excellent example of a public service worker - very astute, determined and an unusually witty sense of humour and Judge Kneebone who is an excellent verbal opponent, also with a wicked sense of humour, for instance.

[silver fox]

I have undertaken several jobs in the Public Sector, but I much prefer the Private Sector, even on less pay. Have your family members also worked in the Private sector? Although, I must admit - there are several large corporations in the Private Sector where the work ethics are similar to those in the Public domain. Such employment is not popular, the preference being given to small or medium sized concerns where the work programme is more interesting. You are absolutely right in saying that many decisions have been self serving - but that goes for both private and public employment.

Yes both family members had previously worked in the private sector, one having her own business for a number of years. Initially both were doing the job as instructed, but both gained meaningful promotions were they were making decisions and taking action as needed.

[said]

Yes both family members had previously worked in the private sector, one having her own business for a number of years. Initially both were doing the job as instructed, but both gained meaningful promotions were they were making decisions and taking action as needed.

It is unusual for those employed in private industry to be able to settle into institutionalised working roles because of the oversimplification of tasks and repetitive work. The greater majority of public workers are those who have remained in the role for many years, for similar work is almost non existent anywhere else. It is this secular employment from which politicians originate and gives rise to the necessity that such people should face intensive scrutiny. It has become so obvious in these present times that there are so many in levitated positions who have gained employment for which they are totally ill suited for.

[Desert Region]

It is unusual for those employed in private industry to be able to settle into institutionalised working roles because of the oversimplification of tasks and repetitive work. The greater majority of public workers are those who have remained in the role for many years, for similar work is almost non existent anywhere else. It is this secular employment from which politicians originate and gives rise to the necessity that such people should face intensive scrutiny. It has become so obvious in these present times that there are so many in levitated positions who have gained employment for which they are totally ill suited for.

I feel you are somewhat oversimplifying, here, with your analysis, and some of your quirky compositional choices sometimes do not act in the service of clear meaning. For example, I am unsure if rather than the term "levitated position" being written it should have been expressed as "elevated position"; or whether "levitated position" was your deliberate and very witty choice, or indeed creation.

But certainly, "career politician" is a derogatory term.