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    This is from a man who claimed his Mum (Snow White ) had 7 kids. Your Dad must have had a great income if your Mum didn’t take maternity leave - either that or she didn’t work as the cost of living was far less back then and families could manage with one income.

    As we all know, the money we have all paid in for years in taxes and national insurance isn’t being saved to support us all in old age, so we need people to have children to ensure we have people paying towards services in the future. Many people have little in the way of pensions, unless they worked in good public sector jobs or for decent private companies and so not only will young children will be contributing towards state pensions of future pensioners, but social care, healthcare and more.
    Having had just 4 months maternity leave when I had my children, I fully appreciate the need for parents to take longer maternity leave. Not only is it exhausting caring for babies and going to work, but many people do not have family to care for their baby when they return to work and I know I would not have felt comfortable leaving a 4 month old baby in a nursery with strangers. It is too young in my opinion. It made many women decide not to return to work. It is better for babies to stay with their mother (or father) during the first year and no doubt has encouraged more mothers to return to work (and continue to pay tax). I consider maternity/paternity pay as a tax rebate for parents which ultimately results in the government making plenty of tax from, as they end up getting tens of thousands in tax from each of those children when they become adults. Meanwhile, those who do not have children do not produce tax payers of the future.

    With regard to employers, yes it is inconvenient, especially if you have lots of female staff, but the government pays most of the maternity pay, so the cost is pretty insignificant to most employers. Yes, you pay to advertise for staff to cover maternity leave but the salary should be the same, unless you are daft enough to employ via an agency instead of arranging it yourself. If you value your employees then it shouldn’t be an issue. People have children - that’s part of life, so if you aren’t happy with staff taking parental leave then you shouldn’t be an employer.

    The biggest problem is if employers avoid employing women of child bearing age just in case they decide to have children.





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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    The UK was now so crowded at that time - anyway, once my Mum did give birth to me - she realised what a wonderful baby I was and what a huge value I would be to all mankind. She was so right!
    I am sure she did. A mother’s love knows no bounds. 😀

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    Quote Originally Posted by VB123 View Post
    This is from a man who claimed his Mum (Snow White ) had 7 kids. Your Dad must have had a great income if your Mum didn’t take maternity leave - either that or she didn’t work as the cost of living was far less back then and families could manage with one income.


    Money was far tighter when my parents decided on having a family and no- there was no state aid then at all - but like everyone in those times, they managed. I had my family before all the maternity/paternity grants were available - but again we managed. My wife and I took it in turns to work, I worked during the day and my wife took odd jobs in the evenings (though most definitely not on the Dock Road.)

    The biggest problem is if employers avoid employing women of child bearing age just in case they decide to have children.
    It would appear that they already do - far fewer women manage to find good jobs than previously.

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    It would appear that they already do - far fewer women manage to find good jobs than previously.
    I don’t know about that.

    With regard to saying you and your wife shared childcare and managed without maternity pay, when I was young nobody I knew had anything, so the fact we had very little was no big deal as we were all in the same boat. We live in a very different age now. When I had my children we could have managed on one wage too as the mortgage was so low, as was gas, electricity, council tax, petrol, food, etc. Is it any wonder both parents have to work these days, unless you are lucky enough to have one parent who earns a high salary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    It would appear that they already do - far fewer women manage to find good jobs than previously.

    Than when exactly?

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    Than when exactly?
    Than before!

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    Than before!
    Than before what, tea time? the suffragettes? cave men?

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    our Dad must have had a great income if your Mum didn’t take maternity leave - either that or she didn’t work as the cost of living was far less back then and families could manage with one income.
    There was far less to spend your money on and most families were managing but they had to 'cut their cloth carefully' if they wished to be solvent before their next pay-packet arrived.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pedoja View Post
    There was far less to spend your money on and most families were managing but they had to 'cut their cloth carefully' if they wished to be solvent before their next pay-packet arrived.
    True for when I was young. My children don’t believe me when I tell them we rarely got new shoes and it was only when the hole in the sole of your shoes got so big that it didn’t keep the cardboard in that you ended up with a new (but cheap) pair of shoes. The cardboard used to be soaking wet on a rainy day. My Dad was a tradesman who worked 7 days too most weeks so we hardly ever saw him, so it wasn’t as though he wasn’t working hard (hardest working man I have ever known - even now), we still had nothing, and I remember it was a weekly occurrence that we would all be waiting for pay day so we could get food in. Bills were always paid at least. We were always skint. We always had food cooked from scratch - no money to buy food ready made and certainly never ate out. No-one had money back then so it wasn’t so difficult. No such thing as Christmas Clothes then either - we were lucky if we got a present. Probably why I give my kids everything, as I never wanted them to go through what I did.

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    Young couples who decide personally to have children receive many rewards. A young mother receives a one off payment for every child she has, she has a lengthy time off work with a sliding scale of pay, the father receives paternity leave on pay, none of which affects their normal holidays from work.
    An employer has to find someone who is willing to act as cover for both the Mother and the Father, and is further inconvenienced by having to organise staff to bring the returning staff up to davte.
    But what of the young couples who decide to remain in their careers, who do not choose to have children, but continue working for an employer providing continuity of work? They are effectively penalised! Is that equality?
    Well to keep it short...DINKYs have the added bonus of having fancy holidays, no children's expenses, sleep in and get up when they want.....etc...etc

    btw...a DINKY = Dual income, no kids yet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by VB123 View Post
    I don’t know about that.

    With regard to saying you and your wife shared childcare and managed without maternity pay, when I was young nobody I knew had anything, so the fact we had very little was no big deal as we were all in the same boat. We live in a very different age now. When I had my children we could have managed on one wage too as the mortgage was so low, as was gas, electricity, council tax, petrol, food, etc. Is it any wonder both parents have to work these days, unless you are lucky enough to have one parent who earns a high salary.
    My father was a master carpenter who ran his own one-man company. You talk about petrol expenses? I don't believe that his income ever rose to the level needed to buy or run a car. He used to push his tools from job to job on a wheelbarrow (until I was big enough to do it when I was free from school). And we never had a telephone or a television in our house while I lived at home. Many were in the same boat as you say, but some in even poorer boats than others.
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    LOL... we used to 'pay' with seashells to watch 'childrens hour' on one of our neighbours TV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pedoja View Post
    LOL... we used to 'pay' with seashells to watch 'childrens hour' on one of our neighbours TV.
    That was quite enterprising Ped...

    We kids had an old pram, and in the summer would collect empty pop bottles along Crosby/Blundellsands beach...it was tough pushing that pram through the sand, but we got a penny deposit back on each bottle..

    Believe me, it was much more fun and far healthier than today's electronic equipment which unfortunately most kids are addicted to...

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    I re-read my post this morning and suddenly realised that my memory is failing fast!! I wrote that my Dad used a wheelbarrow - but i think I should have said that he pushed his wheel cart. Not using English on a day-to-day basis is causing me to forget some words, and sometimes I translate the Norwegian word I have in my head directly into English and come up with something similar but something incorrect. Wheelbarrow and wheel cart is just one example. My apologies to one and all. He did use a wheelbarrow, but that was on his plot in what was then called Red Lane, along the railway lines, just past the farm.

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    But sometimes the memory wakes up!! Was it Fairclough's the Farm on Red Lane was called? I seem to remember that name and often picking wild mushrooms on their fields.
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    [QUOTE=VB123;6627906]This is from a man who claimed his Mum (Snow White ) had 7 kids.

    Did I say seven - Haysu! I cannot count - it was actually nine children.

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