Disabled refused Access

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Busy Train, Wheelchair User wants to board train, Porter attends with Ramp.
People stood in the wheelchair area so passenger told they cannot board.
This is outrageous, those stood in the disabled area should have been told -SHIFT!

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Busy Train, Wheelchair User wants to board train, Porter attends with Ramp.
People stood in the wheelchair area so passenger told they cannot board.
This is outrageous, those stood in the disabled area should have been told -SHIFT!

Unbelievable. What's wrong with people today. Shocking ...

[Ceam]

Busy Train, Wheelchair User wants to board train, Porter attends with Ramp.
People stood in the wheelchair area so passenger told they cannot board.
This is outrageous, those stood in the disabled area should have been told -SHIFT!

Was anyone else told they could board due to the amount of people on the train?

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Busy Train, Wheelchair User wants to board train, Porter attends with Ramp.
People stood in the wheelchair area so passenger told they cannot board.
This is outrageous, those stood in the disabled area should have been told -SHIFT!

Got on a train the other week at 4pm, at Liverpool Central. I understood that there had been no service since before 3pm. I had to stand in the aisle that was already full and in the doorway there was not even a space for a piece of paper between the passengers. At Moorfields, other potential passengers just could not get on - there was absolutely no room at all.
When the train came into Bootle, there was a blind woman and her dog on the platform - like other passengers, she was unable to get on the train.

[salus.populi]

If it's full it's full and there's nowhere to shift to.

[jamyramy]

whist themost obvious to those of us born in more respectfull times and altruistic norms,of behaviour to our fellows .what I find more abhorrent and infuriating ,is these train companys expecting passengers to go without seating for their paid journys and space for our less abled,on their paid for conveyance,just because its on rails.assumed safe form of ttransport.there must be thousands of people enduring pure hell whilst travelling because theres the only choice to get to work otherwise,many have ailments endured at the best of times,borne and hidden to just cope and get on with it.its time the authorities stipulated that train travel included aseat for every paying passenger.you don't see coaches with standing room,so why our rail users paying for safe and adequate conveyance.theyve been getting away with this for sooo long now its become the accepted norm from passengers ,its not right and its downright disgracfull service.

[salus.populi]

whist themost obvious to those of us born in more respectfull times and altruistic norms,of behaviour to our fellows .what I find more abhorrent and infuriating ,is these train companys expecting passengers to go without seating for their paid journys and space for our less abled,on their paid for conveyance,just because its on rails.assumed safe form of ttransport.there must be thousands of people enduring pure hell whilst travelling because theres the only choice to get to work otherwise,many have ailments endured at the best of times,borne and hidden to just cope and get on with it.its time the authorities stipulated that train travel included aseat for every paying passenger.you don't see coaches with standing room,so why our rail users paying for safe and adequate conveyance.theyve been getting away with this for sooo long now its become the accepted norm from passengers ,its not right and its downright disgracfull service.

Coaches no, but plenty of bus passengers have to stand up.
And whilst I'm sure they'd prefer a seat I'm sure they'd rather stand than have to wait for the next train or bus with available seats.

[jamyramy]

the very assumption im saying and may say most contemptuous of these companies getting away with it.its going to take a tradgedy to make the point clear ,bit like Grenfell towers only on rails and bus.

[ausard2]

Get real please. If you go for seating only
trains you really are going to be waiting a b....y long
time.
They are looking for standing on planes soon .
We have been standing on trains since the 60's ,it's
life.

[Alikado]

Was anyone else told they could board due to the amount of people on the train?

No.

There is a notice in the disabled area saying that pushchairs may use the area but must move if it is required for the disabled, OK the trains are overcrowded but it disgusting that the disabled are being even more marginalised in this supposedly caring society.

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No.

There is a notice in the disabled area saying that pushchairs may use the area but must move if it is required for the disabled, OK the trains are overcrowded but it disgusting that the disabled are being even more marginalised in this supposedly caring society.

IF there was room for people to move then I agree they should have moved. If it was just a case of the train was full. Then unlucky wait for the next train. I'd rather wait 15 minutes and get on a train where it was safe for everyone to get on and off.

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IF there was room for people to move then I agree they should have moved. If it was just a case of the train was full. Then unlucky wait for the next train. I'd rather wait 15 minutes and get on a train where it was safe for everyone to get on and off.

The problem is the next train will be just as bad, they could end up waiting over an hour.
If it is an area reserved for the use of the disabled, that is it .
Occupy that space at your peril!

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The problem is the next train will be just as bad, they could end up waiting over an hour.
If it is an area reserved for the use of the disabled, that is it .
Occupy that space at your peril!

At one time, no-one would have hesitated in making allowances for the disabled - but now, people are confused. Do we have equality for all? Does everyone who purchase a rail ticket have exactly the same opportunity as everyone else? For a blind person, it would mean one person getting off to allow the blind person on the train. If someone was in a wheelchair - it would mean four people agreeing to leave the train to make room for the wheelchair. Someone who wanted to bring a bike on the train - would mean three people having to give up space. It just won't happen - best if the train services put on more carriages to thedelayed trains.

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At one time, no-one would have hesitated in making allowances for the disabled - but now, people are confused. Do we have equality for all? Does everyone who purchase a rail ticket have exactly the same opportunity as everyone else? For a blind person, it would mean one person getting off to allow the blind person on the train. If someone was in a wheelchair - it would mean four people agreeing to leave the train to make room for the wheelchair. Someone who wanted to bring a bike on the train - would mean three people having to give up space. It just won't happen - best if the train services put on more carriages to thedelayed trains.

But the area is clearly labelled that it is reserved for disabled use.

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The problem is the next train will be just as bad, they could end up waiting over an hour.
If it is an area reserved for the use of the disabled, that is it .
Occupy that space at your peril!

It's difficult with out seeing the exact situation. Who do you kick off? once they step was from the area they are no longer the issue, Still doesn't mean the area can be used.

An overcrowded train is still an overcrowded train, Able bodied or in a wheel chair.