Councillor gets his facts wrong

[prasnee]

So it seems that what you are actually referring to is an exchange where:

Ric said:

"Hollow victory really for the Lib Dems, with Labour controlling Sefton anyway and the Dems always being out voted by Labour I don't see the point in them being here."

And I responded by saying:

So when Ric said (the above) he was possibly missing the point that Labour are on a downward trajectory in Sefton Council and won't be able to outvote our Southport councillors for much longer."

And you are complaining about what I've said, and completely ignoring what Ric said! Perhaps I should have said "... and hopefully won't be able to outvote our Southport councillors for much longer." Would that have made you happier?

As to you lying, when you apologise for doing that I will be happy to acknowledge your apology.

[Desert Region]

`Impotent/irrelevant` I think you have hit the nail on the head as far as Southport Lib Dem Councillors are concerned Desert Region. I remember not long after their national tonking in the General Election of May last year the party in Southport putting out a leaflet with a ridiculous graphic showing a long line of people signing up to be Lib Dem members. Yeah right! it`s about as plausible as countless hordes joining the Flat Earth Society. Truly the Lib Dems in Southport are one trick ponies, blame the rest of the borough for any perceived ills affecting the resort, It`s pretty much cheap almost dog whistle politics, I think that Cllr Dawson, his boss and the rest are influenced by the hoary old Ealing comedy Passport To Pimlico. The Lib Dems were incapable of contesting every seat in Sefton, where were all the new members? so quite how they are going to take control at the respective Town Halls Of Bootle and Southport requires some dubious mathematics and a general suspension of belief.

Yes, that pin has been tapped on the head.

As so far there has been no disputation of Southport Liberal Democrat councillors being impotent and / or irrelevant, then it appears this is the case.

They have been (for how long?) and they are currently.

The counter, if that's not too strong a term, seems to be a "Yes, but..." and involves a speculation on an unspecified future point in time, when they may not be impotent and / or irrelevant, dependent on electoral results elsewhere, electoral results over which voters in Southport will of course have no say!

In the indefinite meantime, it seems fair to conclude that the town of Southport is set to continue to suffer from having pointless Liberal Democrat councillors.

More change for less change.

More change for more decline.

[Username2016]

So it seems that what you are actually referring to is an exchange where:

Ric said:

"Hollow victory really for the Lib Dems, with Labour controlling Sefton anyway and the Dems always being out voted by Labour I don't see the point in them being here."

And I responded by saying:

So when Ric said (the above) he was possibly missing the point that Labour are on a downward trajectory in Sefton Council and won't be able to outvote our Southport councillors for much longer."

And you are complaining about what I've said, and completely ignoring what Ric said! Perhaps I should have said "... and hopefully won't be able to outvote our Southport councillors for much longer." Would that have made you happier?

As to you lying, when you apologise for doing that I will be happy to acknowledge your apology.

"Acknowledge your apology" what exactly does that mean councillor? Is that a way of saying you're wrong but won't admit it? Are the Lib Dem cllrs subject to Papal infallibility? I haven't lied so not sure what you want an apology for, I have portrayed my understanding of what's presented, whereas you have flatly accused me of lying when I said you don't answer the difficult questions....the one you answered was but difficult and you've cut and pasted that response in enough times already?

Regardless of whatever weasily words you choose to out around your explanations I feel the impression was tried to be set of vote for us and we will *eventually* take on Bootle.

Other than your extreme arrogance constantly trying to "correct people" who may think your party has done not the greatest of jobs and don't exactly see the benefit of your club as for what you say can be achieved with Bootle about it may as well just be a club. Your biggest failings/hit to your credibility are:

1) your unwillingness to answer yes/no to being a councillor raises suspicion of motive for posting here
2) your unwillingness to accept so far the Lib way could be the wrong way
3) despite being such a key defender of the Libs you can't/won't define exactly what they have done on a local and parliamentary level for southport. This is what I care about seeing results for our votes/money as frankly on a national level the Libs are irrelevant these days
4) that it's always someone else's fault why your party haven't stopped the rot
5) if the councillors *within* the borough can't work together as there's never a story on that....given their shared interest in the town how the hell do you expect anyone to believe you'd work together any better in a wider context.

....and that's just a few items!

[Desert Region]

I know that they won seats in southport but there got to be something seriously wrong with the other parties is the Libs are seen as the future given how little tangible things they have done. I was especially surprised Cllr Dawson was re-elected given all his hot air and random claims of what he's achieved. You only have to look at the other site to see some of his oddities:

http://tinyurl.com/j8w99f7

They've been part of the problem so wouldn't trust them to be part of the solution, despite their protest vote type comments to create this deadlock on the council rather than working together as that's the only way things will get better, the hope they're going for to have a voice to slam and blast lots of things is hardly going to help anything but their egos.

I'd very much worry if some of our councillors had any control but then again maybe the likes of Cllr Dawson, Cllr Shaw and the posters bring the rest of the down with them but you have to ask selves if they can't work together within own town then what's the chances of it being anything g but deadlock and Pyrrhic victories (at best).

So, Councillor Dawson is a regular poster on a local news and comment site (as well as a national site.) Just not ever this site.


Tony Dawson
Southport

"This is the kind of freedom to frighten, injure or kill which the Conservatives appear to want. The chances of the latter are very small but they ae not non-existent. Cars should be allowed onto a suitably-large area of the beach to park only."

Jun 4, 2016 5:07am


Do you know to which Conservatives he was referring, re his allegation of their apparent need to want "the kind of freedom to frighten, injure or kill?"

The poster Fred McCann seemed to interpret this as Tony D fingering the Conservative Government re the bad beach car handlers.


Fred McCann
Mayors Attendant at Retired

"How can some fool being stupid in a car become the governments fault? Isn't that rather like trying to blame them for the weather?"

Jun 5, 2016 12:29am


Is Tony D's comment another of "his oddities" or is there a logic or perhaps motive behind it not immediately discernible from the news story?

[Desert Region]

You really do come across as an ignorant cretin, not sure why anyone voted for you. How about as one example the inference from:

"he was possibly missing the point that Labour are on a downward trajectory in Sefton Council and won't be able to outvote our Southport councillors for much longer"

As for "inane ramblings" there's a lot of you dodging questions and also the lack of apology to me of accusing me of lying.....

Any word or news on that apology, yet?

[Sandpies]

Or write a letter to John Pugh - I seem to recall Garageman is fond of giving that advice to any one who expresses unhappiness with the Lib Dems...

I wrote a letter to John Pugh, over 5 years ago, I'm still awaiting a reply.
But give 'him credit', he needs to get his facts right before he responds; in the mean time rigor mortis has set in, and I'm still crawling the boards, awaiting a reply.

[Desert Region]

Hi Username 2016, still no news on that apology you enquired after? .

[Username2016]

Hi Username 2016, still no news on that apology you enquired after? .

Nope, guess it's "business as usual" for our Libs, probably bootle labours fault he can't apologise

[toothache]

This was the problem of another Ainsdale Tory cheerleader who was banned from the site for abusing female moderators.[/QUOTE]

I thought that Ainsdale man had turned against the Torys years ago and seemed to have his own tame Lib Dem councillor - although said Cllr seems to have distanced himself recently (wisely if he wants to be re-elected!)

[Desert Region]

nope, guess it's "business as usual" for our libs, probably bootle labours fault he can't apologise

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[Desert Region]

His basic problem appears to be that he doesn't seem able to deal with the fact that there are a whole lot more than just one single person out there who are critical of his behaviour. This was the problem of another Ainsdale Tory cheerleader who was banned from the site for abusing female moderators.

Yes, it does seem to class as a character deficit: the type of man who doesn't seem able to deal with the fact that there are a whole lot more than just one single person out there who are critical of his behaviour.

And yes, it does seem to class as a problem of character: those who seem unable to find it within themselves to be fully supportive of females.

I was reminded of this as I read a recent News item elsewhere...

[Albion102]

Yes, it does seem to class as a character deficit: the type of man who doesn't seem able to deal with the fact that there are a whole lot more than just one single person out there who are critical of his behaviour.

And yes, it does seem to class as a problem of character: those who seem unable to find it within themselves to be fully supportive of females.

I was reminded of this as I read a recent News item elsewhere...

Likes.........