Corbynism is cultish.

[Hamble]

According columnist Stephen Pollard.

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"Jeremy Corbyn’s greatest strength is that he comes across as a decent man.

You hardly need me to rehearse yet again just how misguided that impression is.

But there is something far more worrying at work here too.

I am sure Mr Corbyn is being honest when he says how uncomfortable he is with the personality cult that has now taken hold in the Labour Party.

But cult-like it certainly is with activists wearing Corbyn T-shirts, hanging Corbyn pictures on walls and – weirdly and, one has to say, scarily – greeting the start of his leader’s speech with that awful “Oh, Jeremy Corbyn” song.
This kind of hero-worship is not merely cult-like it is how dictatorships start.

Disagree with Mr Corbyn and the gates of hell open on you from his supporters.

I now, for instance, have daily, unending abuse on social media from Corbynites for daring to have described this cult-like behaviour.

It doesn’t bother me – I find it usefully revealing – but it can move beyond the virtual world into physical threats.

A journalist who has done nothing more than her job, the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg had to have security guards when she attended the Labour conference.
When one man is elevated as being the repository of all that is good, by definition any opposition, or even those who are simply not signed up in support, is the opposite: all that is bad.

This is how dictatorships behave as Mr Corbyn’s own heroes, the former presidents of Venezuela and Cuba, Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro, show.

And it is the mindset of the thugs who have already disrupted next week’s Conservative Party conference with their threats.

According to reports, activists have said they will “lay siege” to it and banners rousing people to “hunt Tories” have sprung up around Manchester this week.

Tameside Conservatives had planned to hold an event in central Manchester on Saturday night but have been forced to cancel after “intimidation from Left-wing activists”. We know what we will see next week because we saw it last year: violent thugs attempting to disrupt the conference. This is politics Corbynite-style.

Typically the leaders themselves will have clean hands but there is no doubt in whose name they are acting.

We saw this process in action this week in the way Jewish people who complained about the diet of anti-Semitic words and phrases from party members since Mr Corbyn became leader were themselves attacked as the enemy.

It wasn’t Jeremy Corbyn who abused Jews at conference. It never is.

It was his supporters. And it was three key allies of the Labour leader – Unite boss Len McCluskey, film director Ken Loach and former mayor of London Ken Livingstone – who all said the same thing: that there was no anti-Semitism in the Labour Party and that complaints about hate speech were really a fig-leaf for plots against the leadership."



tohttp://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/860623/Jeremy-Corbyn-Labour-leader-party-dictators-operate-Conservative-Party-conference

Left wing extremists banner in Manchester this week.

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Pollard is of course entitled to his opinion, but he has a rather chequered past, not noted for even handed commentary, in fact has very often been a vindictive nasty piece of work.

I don't agree with threats, intimidation or violence as a way of countering policies not agreed with. Sadly this is now too often the methods employed by so called activists, this is no way restricted to Labour or left wing supporters, for you or especially Pollard to say the Labour Party is controlled by thugs and is on course for a socialist dictatorship is frankly pathetic, or more likely the hysterical rantings of Tory supporters who are on the defensive.

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The BBC is supposed to be impartial, however, Laura Kuennsberg most certainly is not! On the basis of that alone I find the article that states to support her as being ever so slightly in the bias.

[bambi275]

https://www.change.org/p/james-hardi...-jeremy-corbyn

[bambi275]

Hamble - I wonder if your dislike of Corbyn stems from watching unfactual, unfair and most definitely bias reports from Ms Kuennsberg and many others such as this https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ccurate-labour

[Hamble]

Pollard is of course entitled to his opinion, but he has a rather chequered past, not noted for even handed commentary, in fact has very often been a vindictive nasty piece of work.

I don't agree with threats, intimidation or violence as a way of countering policies not agreed with. Sadly this is now too often the methods employed by so called activists, this is no way restricted to Labour or left wing supporters, for you or especially Pollard to say the Labour Party is controlled by thugs and is on course for a socialist dictatorship is frankly pathetic, or more likely the hysterical rantings of Tory supporters who are on the defensive.

Hamble said "Corbynism is cultish without a question mark in the title lest it confuse QLOCAL bug dredger.

I am glad you do not approve of the threats to those who do not support Corbyn how far will you let it go before you get squeamish enough not to vote ?

[Hamble]

The BBC is supposed to be impartial, however, Laura Kuennsberg most certainly is not! On the basis of that alone I find the article that states to support her as being ever so slightly in the bias.

I find LK totally irritating and overexposed on TV-she is hardly pro Tory.

Stephen Pollard could have used many other examples of bullying and intimidation by the Corbynistas I guess he went for the most shocking-a reporter doing her job.

[Hamble]

https://www.change.org/p/james-hardi...-jeremy-corbyn

The BBC giving Corbyn bad press?
I am impressed the sane lefties are fighting back!

[Hamble]

Hamble - I wonder if your dislike of Corbyn stems from watching unfactual, unfair and most definitely bias reports from Ms Kuennsberg and many others such as this https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ccurate-labour

No my views are based on the realisation that Corbyn backed by Momentum want power at any price.They are prepared to go against some of the rules of 'socialism' they preach.

The biggest thorn is antisemitism.

‘GROTESQUE’: Jeremy Corbyn-allied Palestine Labour group calls for Jewish FINAL SOLUTION.

Another high-ranking Labour student activist has been forced to resign over a series of “deeply offensive” anti-Semitic social media posts.

Tayyib Nawaz, co-chair of Manchester Labour Students, stepped down from his position on Tuesday after it was revealed he had written on Twitter that “Hitler was Jewish” and had compared Israel to ISIS in another message.

The controversy comes just days after undergraduate Bethany Barker resigned as general secretary of Nottingham Labour Students over several racist, anti-Semitic and homophobic tweets referring to “Jew caps” and using the N-word.


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"The truth is the lunatic fringe has now gone mainstream. Institutionalised anti-Semitism is entrenched at the poisoned heart of the party.
Don’t take my word for it, ask the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, which yesterday demanded that Corbyn expels all those who propagate anti-Semitic sentiment.
Chief executive Rebecca Hilsenrath said: ‘Anti-semitism is racism and the Labour Party needs to do more to establish that it is not a racist party. A zero-tolerance approach to anti-Semitism should mean just that.
‘When senior party figures are saying there is a problem, then the leadership should take swift action. It is not acceptable simply to say they oppose these views.
‘These comments by party members show more needs to be done to root out anti-Semitic views that clearly exist in the party.’
There’s plenty of evidence to back up her concerns. No less a figure than the Chairman of the Parliamentary Labour Party, John Cryer, said he had seen tweets from party members that made his hair stand on end and were ‘redolent of the Thirties’.
Another Labour MP, Wes Streeting, said there were ‘too many people at the top of our party who have adopted an ostrich strategy’ on anti-Semitism.
Sounds about right. For instance, Naz Shah, MP for the ‘Israel-Free Zone’ of Bradford West, was briefly suspended after someone discovered that, a couple of years previously, she had suggested on social media that all the Jews in Israel should be transported to America.
Her suspension lasted about five minutes. Shah, a former PPS to John McDonnell, was quickly restored to the fold and is now considered one of Labour’s rising stars.


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They may pick up more votes if they more Antisemitic.

[Hamble]

They may pick up more votes if they more Antisemitic.

Who?

[silver fox]

Hamble,

I know you suffer from severe paranoia as regards Labour, or indeed anything or anyone who does not bend the knee to the Tories and Establishment as a whole, sorry I have no cure or treatment for your ailment, but please don't let your paranoia overshadow reason.

I would very much doubt that any one political party has the correct message or answers for everyone, but the facts are, whether you like them or not, Labour has put forward proposals and policies which many find considerably more attractive than the continued austerity doom and gloom message from the Tories, particularly when we see that austerity does clearly not apply across the board, when we see oodles of cash available for electoral bribery, for refurbing Buckingham and Westminster Palaces etc, when executive pay continues to rise to stratospheric levels while pay rises for the majority are low or non-existent.

You continue with your rant against Momentum and alleged anti-semitism, did you know that the guy credited with founding and being very much to the forefront of Momentum is Jewish?

Instead of jumping up and down screeching foul at anything remotely connected to Labour, try something positive, tell us all about Tory achievements, about how much better the country and more importantly the people of this country are under the Tories, saw Theresa May being interviewed by Andrew Marr and she sure as hell can't answer those questions.

[Hamble]

Hamble,

I know you suffer from severe paranoia as regards Labour, or indeed anything or anyone who does not bend the knee to the Tories and Establishment as a whole, sorry I have no cure or treatment for your ailment, but please don't let your paranoia overshadow reason.

I would very much doubt that any one political party has the correct message or answers for everyone, but the facts are, whether you like them or not, Labour has put forward proposals and policies which many find considerably more attractive than the continued austerity doom and gloom message from the Tories, particularly when we see that austerity does clearly not apply across the board, when we see oodles of cash available for electoral bribery, for refurbing Buckingham and Westminster Palaces etc, when executive pay continues to rise to stratospheric levels while pay rises for the majority are low or non-existent.

You continue with your rant against Momentum and alleged anti-semitism, did you know that the guy credited with founding and being very much to the forefront of Momentum is Jewish?

Instead of jumping up and down screeching foul at anything remotely connected to Labour, try something positive, tell us all about Tory achievements, about how much better the country and more importantly the people of this country are under the Tories, saw Theresa May being interviewed by Andrew Marr and she sure as hell can't answer those questions.

Get a grip sf!


Jon Lansman is currently the editor of the left-wing website Left Futures like many other Socialist or Labour members is not antisemitic.

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"Lansman volunteered for Jeremy Corbyn's leadership campaign in the 2015 Labour Party leadership election, and was the sole director of Jeremy Corbyn Campaign 2015 (Supporters) Ltd, an official campaign company that held the data collected by the campaign.

Following Corbyn's election on 12 September 2015, Lansman was a founder of the campaign group Momentum. Before the Labour Party Conference in late September 2015, Lansman was defeated by Michael Cashman and Gloria De Piero in an election for membership of the Conference Arrangements Committee, the body that sets the agenda for the Conference.

Lansman was interviewed by The Jewish Chronicle in January 2016. He was asked about attitudes to Israel in the Labour Party and the attitudes of Jews towards it: "Yes, of course the vast majority of British Jews are supportive of Israel as a Jewish state – and actually so is Jeremy – but they are far from supportive of all aspects of what is currently happening there", he said. "I think Jews in Britain want peace too. I think Jeremy's message of fairness for the Palestinians is not something that will be rejected by the Jewish community."

At the end of April 2016, after long-standing Corbyn ally Ken Livingstone had made comments which led to his suspension from Labour Party membership, Lansman was quoted as saying: "A period of silence from Ken Livingstone is overdue, especially on antisemitism, racism and Zionism. It’s time he left politics altogether." A few days later, in early May, he wrote on the Left Futures blog that the use of the term Zionist to describe supporters of the government in Israel was "counter-productive". He cited one poll in which a larger majority of British Jews, 71%, favoured a Palestinian state, and 75% opposed the Israeli settlements, while only 68% identified as Zionists. A "rational debate about how to change the terms of the current debate" requires, in Lansman's opinion, an acknowledgement "that people on the left may also demonstrate some prejudice of their own."

"I think progress has been uneven; let’s put it that way", he told Daniella Peled, a London-based reporter for Haaretz, in September 2016. Developments in Labour concerning antisemitism since the beginning of the year have "clearly taken us back as well as forward". Lansman cited the Chakrabarti Inquiry as an example of the latter."

[Toodles McGinty]

It seems Corbyn is like Marmite. He's swelled the ranks of the Labour membership. He's also got the Tory faithful hysterically searching for reds under the bed, it appears. At least on this forum.

Also seems that people are confusing antisemitism with anti-Israeli actions when it comes to Palestine. The two are not the same.

I fully support the right of a Jewish state but deplore some of the actions of the Israeli government. I personally see the Muslim religion as oppressive and dangerous (pretty much like Christianity if it was followed with the same fervour as the Muslims). But I believe that Palestine should be recognised as a country and land should be returned to the Palestinian people. That doesn't mean I support Hammas. That doesn't mean I am antisemitic.

Nothing is usually that black or white. But it is easy to throw 'trigger' words around in newspaper columns, whether left or right leaning.

[Alikado]

Who?

Labour