Corbyn talks Brexit with Barnier.

[seivad]

Hamble disputes that statement.

I think you might have missed my point.

You said "Which illustrates why Germany is yet again taking the pissario on EU trading" Germany doesn't have any advantage in export trade with Israel. You're both subject to the same FTA rules.

UK exports to Israel have increased over the past few years, and the trend is continuing. Figures for the first half of 2018 show a 75% increase in exports to Israel. At this rate UK exports to Israel will be higher than Germany's.

In Germany the BDS movement is deemed anti-Semitic.

Nevertheless, UK imports from Israel are more than double the amount Germany imports.

The High Court/Appeals Court ruling that local councils may boycott Israeli products from illegally occupied territory isn't going to change because of Brexit. It's British law, not European.

That said, I doubt that a few council's virtue signalling has had a great impact on trade... it's small potatoes. Corporations, and that's where the money is, tend to put increased productivity/profit ahead of principles.

[Hamble]

I think you might have missed my point.

You said "Which illustrates why Germany is yet again taking the pissario on EU trading" Germany doesn't have any advantage in export trade with Israel. You're both subject to the same FTA rules.

UK exports to Israel have increased over the past few years, and the trend is continuing. Figures for the first half of 2018 show a 75% increase in exports to Israel. At this rate UK exports to Israel will be higher than Germany's.


Nevertheless, UK imports from Israel are more than double the amount Germany imports.

The High Court/Appeals Court ruling that local councils may boycott Israeli products from illegally occupied territory isn't going to change because of Brexit. It's British law, not European.

That said, I doubt that a few council's virtue signalling has had a great impact on trade... it's small potatoes. Corporations, and that's where the money is, tend to put increased productivity/profit ahead of principles.

Sorry for any misunderstanding.

The Euro and Germany's breaking rules of the use of gives an unfair advantage in trade.

I want Brexit to go through and lessen the chance of a Corbyn Labour Government.


Kedem British business selling Israeli products.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ian-protesters

The BDS campaign is organised and coordinated by the Palestinian BDS National Committee.

BDS title states 'Israel'.

http://bdslist.org/full-list/

Top import and exports of Palestine.
https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/pse/

Co op and BDS.
https://www.thejc.com/news/world/co-...olicy-1.442284

[Hamble]

Who runs Palestine?

#3 – Hamas

Total annual income: $700 million

Last June marked tenth anniversary of the Hamas movement’s control over the people of Gaza. Looking back, it seems there is no cause to celebrate. A special report recently published by the UN allowed a glimpse into the intolerable life in Gaza under the mismanagement of Hamas and points to a dizzyingly escalating humanitarian crisis. According to a summary in the UN report, the Gaza Strip will be unlivable by 2020 if the current situation persists.

The security intensification that came with Hamas' seizure of rule over Gaza brought with it immediate economic mayhem. A stream of more than 100,000 workers that entered Israel daily, and provided livelihood for hundreds of thousands of people in the Gaza strip, has almost entirely stopped. According to the World Bank, the current rate of unemployment in Gaza is the highest in the world and stands at over 40%. Among youth, the rate rises above 60%. The average income in Gaza is $1,800 per capita, among the lowest in the world. Electrical infrastructure and the factories that were destroyed in fighting, as well as the gross lack of raw materials (those that are not redirected by the heads of the organization to rebuilding tunnels), has paralyzed industry, which currently amounts to furniture production, cultivation of tomatoes and fishing.

But despite the catastrophic situation of Gaza, Hamas is managing to generate numerous funding sources from the impoverished population there, bringing in tens of millions of dollars each month. The sophisticated and elaborate tax network redirects significant capital flowing into Gaza as aid. This, for instance, is how Hamas collects taxes on the money-changing companies that convert the foreign currency to shekels, pocketing tens of millions on the way. In addition, Hamas runs hundreds of businesses monopolizing a variety of fields from real estate to security, banking, and even hotels and tourism.

Along with taxes, hundreds of millions of dollars flow in to the organization’s account each year as private donations from business owners or various societies from all over the world. The biggest current funder of Hamas is, not surprisingly, Iran which, along with Qatar has committed to contributing large sums of money to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars a year. In order to ensure that not all the money goes to the rehabilitation of Gaza and improving its residents’ welfare, the regime in Tehran has specifically allocated a significant sum from its contribution to support Hamas and its military arm’s activities. According to security sources, this allowance is 70 million dollars a year, and is responsible for nearly half of the military wing’s estimated budget of 150 million dollars.

BDS -read the small print.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesi.../#1cfb2d107fd1

[silver fox]

Hamble must confess there are time when I struggle to follow your convoluted thinking, the thread ( which you started by the way ) was supposedly regarding Corbyn in Brexit talks, now we are somehow into Gaza and Hamas, connection would be interesting, or are you as usual searching frantically for any possibility ( however remote ) of blaming Corbyn for something.


Smacks of Tory desperation, what are you so afraid of?


Nothing can possibly be as frightening as the prospect of the arch Brexiteers running this country into the ground.

[said]

Hamble must confess there are time when I struggle to follow your convoluted thinking, the thread ( which you started by the way ) was supposedly regarding Corbyn in Brexit talks, now we are somehow into Gaza and Hamas, connection would be interesting, or are you as usual searching frantically for any possibility ( however remote ) of blaming Corbyn for something.


Smacks of Tory desperation, what are you so afraid of?


Nothing can possibly be as frightening as the prospect of the arch Brexiteers running this country into the ground.

Included in the opening post was 'seeking to undermine democracy'. You also quote "Brexiteers running the country into the ground" Which indicates you are for remaining in the EU. Now, considering that Corbyn is said to be anti semite, i.e. against the Jewish people, therefore assumed against Israel, and also that the EU was fined a considerable amount of money for its illegal incursion into Israel - against the democracy in that region - there does appear to be a link, does there not? That Corbyn has greater sympathies with the EU than for Brexit.

[silver fox]

The Tories would not have let RBS become the monster it was.
Do not forget the Labour Government treasury courted RBS happy to accept the tax money and give Fred the Shred a gong.

I am not sure you get the principle of taxation.

Put it this way until the day a Tory Government announces those that do not pay tax will no longer be eligible to receive healthcare education Legal representation etc what else can I do other than remind you...

The highest earning 1% in the UK pay an estimated 28% of all income This is close to a record level, but it isn’t quite the highest percentage ever – the top 1% paid an estimated 29% in 2015/16.

During this same period, the percentage of income tax paid by the bottom 50% of earners has fallen from almost 12.6% to just fewer than 10%. The top 50% of earners make up roughly 90% of income tax receipts, slightly more than back in 2000.


Figures from Full Fact.

The Tories were the ones who deregulated the banks, yes Labour were dazzled by the seeming never ending profits and the tax revenues generated. To say that the Tories would have brought back regulation is totally opposite to Tory philosophy and thinking, in all fairness only one voice in Parliament was warning of impending disaster, like it or not that was Vince Cable, but of course no-one took the slightest notice.


Incidentally did you see the documentary on RBS a few nights back, I was astounded by the arrogance of Goodwin and indeed the other high street banks, the crash was there, bankruptcy was hours away for RBS and other banks, yet Goodwin and the other heads of the banks wanted Alistair Darling's bale out money, but without strings or conditions, they wanted the cash then just carry on in the same way, eventually Alistair Darling left them to it, it was only when collapse staring them in the face was the deal accepted.


The highest 10% of earners take 40% of national pay income, perhaps they should be paying more tax pro rata, when it comes to the national wealth it's even worse with just 5% owning 70% of national wealth, the gap is even worse when we look at the very top 1% the gap is every bit as huge from the other 9% of earners, sounds like the very top 1% are getting off pretty light.

[Hamble]

Hamble must confess there are time when I struggle to follow your convoluted thinking, the thread ( which you started by the way ) was supposedly regarding Corbyn in Brexit talks, now we are somehow into Gaza and Hamas, connection would be interesting, or are you as usual searching frantically for any possibility ( however remote ) of blaming Corbyn for something.


Smacks of Tory desperation, what are you so afraid of?


Nothing can possibly be as frightening as the prospect of the arch Brexiteers running this country into the ground.

If you check back it was said and Seivad that included Israel trade I just joined in the conversation.

[Hamble]

The Tories were the ones who deregulated the banks, yes Labour were dazzled by the seeming never ending profits and the tax revenues generated. To say that the Tories would have brought back regulation is totally opposite to Tory philosophy and thinking, in all fairness only one voice in Parliament was warning of impending disaster, like it or not that was Vince Cable, but of course no-one took the slightest notice.


Incidentally did you see the documentary on RBS a few nights back, I was astounded by the arrogance of Goodwin and indeed the other high street banks, the crash was there, bankruptcy was hours away for RBS and other banks, yet Goodwin and the other heads of the banks wanted Alistair Darling's bale out money, but without strings or conditions, they wanted the cash then just carry on in the same way, eventually Alistair Darling left them to it, it was only when collapse staring them in the face was the deal accepted.


The highest 10% of earners take 40% of national pay income, perhaps they should be paying more tax pro rata, when it comes to the national wealth it's even worse with just 5% owning 70% of national wealth, the gap is even worse when we look at the very top 1% the gap is every bit as huge from the other 9% of earners, sounds like the very top 1% are getting off pretty light.

Yes I did watch the documentary on RBS.


I believe taxation should not increase to a form of penalisation on earning and wealth.
It needs a lid.
Likewise on the extreme opposite end of the spectrum on penalising those who cannot earn enough to pay tax.

[Hamble]

Hamble must confess there are time when I struggle to follow your convoluted thinking, the thread ( which you started by the way ) was supposedly regarding Corbyn in Brexit talks, now we are somehow into Gaza and Hamas, connection would be interesting, or are you as usual searching frantically for any possibility ( however remote ) of blaming Corbyn for something.


Smacks of Tory desperation, what are you so afraid of?


Nothing can possibly be as frightening as the prospect of the arch Brexiteers running this country into the ground.

P.s

Tory desperation?
I will have you know my source is MI6!

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f...rbyn-m85vxbkbz

[*concerned*]

It's the scumbag employers who love cheap labour. How about getting British people who are on benefits into work, instead of importing workers.

Except they don't want to work, they would rather claim benefits, or don't want to work in say the 'service industry' or pick/pack veg etc, that's why 'imported labour' is required to fill the gaps

[The PNP]

Except they don't want to work, they would rather claim benefits, or don't want to work in say the 'service industry' or pick/pack veg etc, that's why 'imported labour' is required to fill the gaps

Agree.....hard-core dolies aren't worth having. Employers don't want someone who consistently turns up late/doesn't show half the time, lacks motivation, continually complains, works slow, has an attitude, drug/alcohol issues, etc.

[Hamble]

Seasonal pickers once did the job in the UK.
Hop pickers were poor Londoners.

Land Girls did the job in the war.

The mindset and conditions have to change after Brexit.

I will go back to buying British.

[silver fox]

Included in the opening post was 'seeking to undermine democracy'. You also quote "Brexiteers running the country into the ground" Which indicates you are for remaining in the EU. Now, considering that Corbyn is said to be anti semite, i.e. against the Jewish people, therefore assumed against Israel, and also that the EU was fined a considerable amount of money for its illegal incursion into Israel - against the democracy in that region - there does appear u to be a link, does there not? That Corbyn has greater sympathies with the EU than for Brexit.

It isn't Brexit that worries me, rather the main cheerleaders, the thought of Johnson, Gove, Mog etc having any part of running this country is the stuff of nightmares.

The argument over Brexit is still divisive to say the least, with good and bad points on both sides, personally I do feel the downside outweighs the alleged benefits, but of course that is just my opinion.