Brexit again.

[silver fox]

Listened to windbag Johnson pontificating on Brexit, the arguments over leaving the EU show no sign of calming, quite the contrary.


For me Brexiteers are busily shouting down all or part of any proposed deal, OK when are the Brexiteers going to come up with a plan or proposal for this country after leaving the EU, I don't count all the bluster and rhetoric as a plan, just spouting a populist pipe dream which could very likely be extremely damaging.


Anyone putting faith in any sort of beneficial (to us) deal with the USA is living in cloud cuckoo land, so what is our best option, simply walk away from the EU and hope for the best, or get some sort of an agreement.


Incidentally saw a curious bit of news last night, immigration from the EU has fallen dramatically since the referendum, which is what Brexiteers wished for, but immigration overall is again on the rise, wonder where the new immigrants are coming from? is this what Brexiteers wished for?


Personally I abide by the referendum result, but the whole damn thing is becoming a farce and an embarrassment.

[grassroots]

I agree the whole bit is becoming an embarrassment.I just hope we can get the best deal possible for the UK soon because it's only 252 days before we leave the EU .

[Ceam]

The whole thing was an embracement before it even started.
No plan at all as to what it meant or it's implications.
Remainers scaremongering and Brexitiers just plain lying.
I bet we are going to end up with the softest Brexit possible which basically means loosing more control. Or a no deal which will cock us up completely. Financially, medically, security. Hard boarder in Ireland and IRA or similar kicking off again.


May getting all the flack, But let's be honest who wants her job? Why anyone would have put their hand up when Cameron left is beyond me.

[Toodles McGinty]

I believe the whole Brexit farce is little more than a power game to the leading politicians involved. This is typified by the treacherous Johnson, who admitted to writing two newspaper articles, one pro-remain, one pro-leave, before nailing his colours to the Brexit mast.

I reckon he watched the rise of populism elsewhere, then decided that the path to being PM would be smoother by backing the Leave campaign.

I read that the French want to take part in (currently illegal) bilateral talks with us. Knowing, as they do, that the situation in ports such as Dover and Calais will be nigh on impossible without a customs agreement. As this is against EU rules, will it throw a spanner in the works at Brussels? Are the powers behind the populist movement rubbing their hands together as cracks may start appearing in the solidarity of the 27? I'm wondering if destabilising the continent was the whole point in the first place.

[Alikado]

I believe the whole Brexit farce is little more than a power game to the leading politicians involved. This is typified by the treacherous Johnson, who admitted to writing two newspaper articles, one pro-remain, one pro-leave, before nailing his colours to the Brexit mast.

I reckon he watched the rise of populism elsewhere, then decided that the path to being PM would be smoother by backing the Leave campaign.

I read that the French want to take part in (currently illegal) bilateral talks with us. Knowing, as they do, that the situation in ports such as Dover and Calais will be nigh on impossible without a customs agreement. As this is against EU rules, will it throw a spanner in the works at Brussels? Are the powers behind the populist movement rubbing their hands together as cracks may start appearing in the solidarity of the 27? I'm wondering if destabilising the continent was the whole point in the first place.

Boris is an opportunist but he won't want to be the next Tory Leader as the full outcome of Brexit won't be apparent for a couple years, he will want the leadership then when he can be viewed as the Messiah.

Destabilisation of the West caused by the Russians supporting both Brexit & Trump.

[Squeeezebox]

read that the French want to take part in (currently illegal) bilateral talks with us

Illegal - Is that true?

Not long ago we were being encouraged by Barnier etc to have bilateral talks with Spain on the status of that other border issue - Gibraltar. It's all gone quiet on that one - or been drowned out by all the other chaos.

[Ceam]

Illegal - Is that true?

Not long ago we were being encouraged by Barnier etc to have bilateral talks with Spain on the status of that other border issue - Gibraltar. It's all gone quiet on that one - or been drowned out by all the other chaos.

I believe trade deals are on hold while Brexit talks are on going.

But who knows, they are making the rules up as they go along. So anything is possible.

[dav]

Boris's speech was spot on. Pity that Treachery May wasn't present. Boris is, of course, only really interested in Boris but the points he made were true.


We still can have a meaningful Brexit ... by crashing out, without agreement, on WTO terms. That has to be the preferred option now that we've seen that the remainers in the Tory party are stitching things up. We'll face short term pain in the country's longterm interest. Fine by me.



For everything else, there is the resurgent UKIP. It's piled on thousands of new members since May's Chequers agreement was made public - including prominent Youtubers with millions of followers and a younger demographic.

[Toodles McGinty]

I believe trade deals are on hold while Brexit talks are on going.

But who knows, they are making the rules up as they go along. So anything is possible.

Yes, according to this article, there's a 'strict EU ban' on bilateral talks at the moment.

[Toodles McGinty]

For everything else, there is the resurgent UKIP. It's piled on thousands of new members since May's Chequers agreement was made public - including prominent Youtubers with millions of followers and a younger demographic.

The editor of 'Infowars'? Of whom a UKIP spokesman says has “some unpleasant followers”. Or 'Count Dankula' (the dankest of dank memes expected, bro)? 'Sargon of Akkad' although not from Mesopotamia, rather from Swindon, perhaps? Even InCel would take them to one side and advise them to have a word with themselves.

And according to The Scum 'THOUSANDS of disgruntled Brexit voters have joined UKIP since Theresa May’s Chequers summit'. Well, from what I can gather, UKIP members are always disgruntled. Have a quick scan of the average 'Question Time' audience. Disgruntled or 'fewming' are permanent states for them. So they'll be in good company. I imagine the Tories breathed a sigh of relief to see them go. Though to be fair, that UKIP wife murderer was very civilised to the police when they came to arrest him.

[dav]

Paul Watson and Sargon are fantastic catches for UKIP. Both have huge followings. Wouldn't expect Toodles to be in their fan club as they talk sense and aren't Jezza fan boys.

[silver fox]

Boris's speech was spot on. Pity that Treachery May wasn't present. Boris is, of course, only really interested in Boris but the points he made were true.


We still can have a meaningful Brexit ... by crashing out, without agreement, on WTO terms. That has to be the preferred option now that we've seen that the remainers in the Tory party are stitching things up. We'll face short term pain in the country's longterm interest. Fine by me.



For everything else, there is the resurgent UKIP. It's piled on thousands of new me
mbers since May's Chequers agreement was made public - including prominent Youtubers with millions of followers and a younger demographic.

I think we saw the same speech, Boris used lot's of words, but said sod all, just his usual tub thumping, chest beating bull s##t.

Like it or not, Brexit or not, we are still signed up to and involved in many programmes and developments within the EU, we can't just walk away fom those commitments or we will be in breach of too many agreements.

[dav]

I think we saw the same speech, Boris used lot's of words, but said sod all, just his usual tub thumping, chest beating bull s##t.

Like it or not, Brexit or not, we are still signed up to and involved in many programmes and developments within the EU, we can't just walk away fom those commitments or we will be in breach of too many agreements.

We CAN just walk away under Article 50 ... which is what will happen if Theresa the Appeaser's remainer machinations don't work. That is the best option.


There's also the other option of repealing the European Communities Act of 1972.


Eminently do-able. Short term pain is well worth it for long term independence and the ability to trade with the world.

[Ceam]

We CAN just walk away under Article 50 ... which is what will happen if Theresa the Appeaser's remainer machinations don't work. That is the best option.


There's also the other option of repealing the European Communities Act of 1972.


Eminently do-able. Short term pain is well worth it for long term independence and the ability to trade with the world.

Have you even thought about the implications of "just walking away"

Can we just remember we are not moving this shitty little island, we are still going to be sat next to France when all this is finished. We are leaving the E.U. not Europe.

[The PNP]

Eminently do-able. Short term pain is well worth it for long term independence and the ability to trade with the world.

Personally I have no plans to 'trade with the world', as majority of our customers are in NW.

What I do have and will always need, is visa-free freedom of movement with all the tariff-free countries the UK trades with. E.g. for when I take a holiday/am ready give up work and look to buy a small retirement pad in the sun....

Will these fancy Brexit 'world' trade agreements allow me to live/own property/work part-time in the US/Oz/NZ, etc - and will I enjoy free long-term healthcare elsewhere in the world, like I can get now in all 27 member States of EU?