Brexit

[crocodile35]

Should the United Kingdom remain in the European Union or leave the European Union? The country voted leave. Not leave bits and stay in bits but leave. Why are we still in?

[The PNP]

Should the United Kingdom remain in the European Union or leave the European Union? The country voted leave. Not leave bits and stay in bits but leave. Why are we still in?

For a whole raft of reasons, which anyone up to speed with the proceedings would be aware of.....But yes, we could just walk away tomorrow - that is if you don't mind causing a major UK recession!

[Albion102]

We are still in because the rules of the club are that you have to give two years' notice. In retrospect we probably asked the wrong question, which is the problem with referenda.

I was an avid remainer, but secretly hoped that there would be a leave vote because it would be fascinating to see how it panned out. I've not been disappointed.

My honest view is that there will be winners and losers, but us middle class liberals will do just fine overall. The likely outcome is looking like a hard brexit presided over by a hard right conservative government, I'll leave you to judge whether this is a good outcome for the lost regions and sideside towns that make up the majority of leave supporting areas. Probably about as good for them as Margaret Thatcher was, is maybe a good benchmark.

[crocodile35]

For a whole raft of reasons, which anyone up to speed with the proceedings would be aware of.....But yes, we could just walk away tomorrow - that is if you don't mind causing a major UK recession!

I am aware of all the arguments for and against they were all discussed before the referendum. The people still voted leave why haven't we left?

[Sage]

I am aware of all the arguments for and against they were all discussed before the referendum. The people still voted leave why haven't we left?

We haven't left yet because under the terms of the treaty Britain agreed to and signed we have to give two years notice of our intention to leave.This is called article 50 of the treaty.The notice is up in March 2019 that is when we sink or swim!

[Hamble]

Leave.

The vote was taken.

Who are these socialist's happy to vote for the Capitalist EU?

[rolling-thunder]

I was all for leaving but I waiver a tad because of all the whining from the remainers and the doom and gloom rather than doing something to source other markets to supply the Countries needs? However, I am still against a Federal Europe with each State voting in their best interests while trying to beat down the UK. The UK leaving Europe showed us how malicious some of the member states can be when it comes to Europe.
It is said that we want to leave and still keep the Benefits with very little press given to the demands of the Europeans to carry on as before while stopping us from travelling through Europe and stopping the UK from using European intelligence agencies to secure our Borders as well of those of Europe. Or in other words I have become tired of all the moaning from both sides, the dirty tricks to try and over turn the decision { i'd like to believe leavers wouldn't have done the same thing if we'd lost?} & just want it over and done with. The UK should use this as an opportunity to rebuild our Navy, Airforce & Army as well as our transport infrastructure and industry. Of course I doubt that will happen as we will all sink into the Sea?

[The PNP]

We haven't left yet because under the terms of the treaty Britain agreed to and signed we have to give two years notice of our intention to leave.This is called article 50 of the treaty.The notice is up in March 2019 that is when we sink or swim!

Best case, we all end up flush with cash due massive UK exports boom worldwide.

Worst case, we all wind up in negative equity as house prices tumble by a third whilst interest rates skyrocket.

[said]

The national media lacks ordinary and investigative journalists - all the news being published now is by journalists from privileged backgrounds, who really do not have a clue about people nor politics - and not much else either. Do not believe the stories that are published, they merely serve to promote popularity.
Those who bemoan Brexit had the opportunity to put forward their arguments before the well publicised referendum. They failed to put forward any realistic argument and that is why they lost the vote. Brexit supporters had lists of reasons for leaving the EU, and voters included professional businessmen, graduates, economists, farmers, fishermen, etc.,young and old. Are those who wanted to stay in the EU without finding any good reason for doing so, saying that the majority of people in the UK who put forward strong arguments for leaving - did not know what they were doing?
Well - now you know why they are moaning! They just can't think straight!

[The PNP]

Those who bemoan Brexit had the opportunity to put forward their arguments before the well publicised referendum. They failed to put forward any realistic argument and that is why they lost the vote.

The case for remain was perfectly simple - that remaining would have maintained the status quo i.e. no change of circumstance.


As things now stand, I see Brexit playing out thus:

1) Labour conference votes to adopt a peoples vote as policy.

2) The deal we get from Brussels (or the NO deal we get) is voted on in Parliament.....Labour, along with a sizeable bunch of Tory rebels, the DUP and Lib-dems all vote against it. Resulting in parliamentary meltdown and a peoples vote.

3) Sick of the whole business and facing the prospect of life outside the EU on unfavourable terms (or a NO deal scenario) the people vote to scrap Brexit.

[Albion102]

Best case, we all end up flush with cash due massive UK exports boom worldwide.

Worst case, we all wind up in negative equity as house prices tumble by a third whilst interest rates skyrocket.

If interest rates (and hence annuity rates)doubled I could retire tomorrow and pay off my mortgage with the tax free lump sum :-)

[Styx]

1) Labour conference votes to adopt a peoples vote as policy.

Why should we accept calls for a second referendum from people who by definition do not accept the results of referendums?

[The PNP]

Why should we accept calls for a second referendum from people who by definition do not accept the results of referendums?

Because it's becoming clearer by the day, that many of the leave campaigns promises were in fact a load of cobblers.....If the majority of us still want to leave when the final 'deal' is made known - why fear a final vote?

[Toodles McGinty]

The problem with the referendum was that the whole campaign was run on lies on one side, apathy on the other. Both sides have been called out for election duplicity.

The remain campaign did very little. They didn't point out that nobody had a clue what it might involve (still don't). They didn't point out that businesses might leave, jobs might be lost. Even Rees-Mogg knew it would take 50 years before we benefited from leaving. They just assumed that the public wouldn't be stupid enough to leave the biggest single market in the world.

The leave campaign ran on populist lies, pretty much as the Trump campaign did, backed by the same people (Cambridge Analytica). Like Trump, they targeted people who felt forgotten and let down by the system. Put nonsense on the side of a big bus about the NHS. Evoked some rose-tinted bull about sovereignty and Britain ruling our own destiny, which of course, was only going to make us hugely successful.

Cameron just threw this in the air and walked away. The public, whichever way we would have eventually voted, should have been given cold hard facts and the negotiations should have been done and dusted. Then, and only then, should we have had a referendum. As I've said before, only a complete idiot would buy a car without knowing every detail of it. The salesman doesn't just go 'do you want a car, yes or no?'

Whether or not the outcome would have been different is immaterial. We should have voted after the negotiations, and given a considered choice, armed with the knowledge of how it affects us all.

[Hamble]

Frankly people who voted 'leave' without the imagination or intelligence to research their decision should be banned from using amazon ebay and B&Q tools.